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I am looking for the Cain Family Bernard and Bridget Cain Bridget was a Docherty befor she married Bernard and they had Frances, mary, Catherine, Margaret, Bernard [ who I believe was born in USA ] John Cain , I am trying to find marriages of the children I do know all about Catherine Cain she must have came to the isle of man at some point because she gave birth to my father George Cain Dec 1921 and was said to have left him here at some point she then back home to Liverpool and in 1923 followed a guy out to Australia in july and married him in the September went on to have 8 children no contact ever with my father,

Hi Manx Maggie, and welcome.
Not sure if you are looking for descendents or ancestors...

For the crew on the forum...

CAIN, Bernard married DOHERTY, Bridget
Registration district: Liverpool
Year of registration: 1888; Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 330

Bernard was probably a mariner because he is missing from the 1891, 1901 and later census. Maggie, if you have the marriage cert can you tell us his age, occupation, and the name and occupation of his father?

1901:
RG13 Piece: 3411 Folio: 38 Page: 6
Address: 8 in 3 Court, Scotland Road, Liverpool
CAIN, Bridget Head Married 33 1868 - Widnes, Lancashire
CAIN, Frances Dtr 12 1889 - Liverpool, Lancashire
CAIN, Margaret Dtr 9 1892 - Liverpool, Lancashire
CAIN, Bernard Son 7 1894 - Liverpool, Lancashire [Place of birth error? See next census]
CAIN, John Son 5 1896 - Liverpool, Lancashire

1910+1:
Address: 58 Latham St, Kirkdale, Liverpool
CAIN, Bridget Wife Married [21 yrs] 44 1867 Housekeeper - Lancs Widnes
DOKERTY, Bridget Mother Widow 67 1844 - Co Mayo, Ireland
CAIN, Margaret Dtr 19 1892 Compositor - Liverpool Lanc
CAIN, Bernard Son u/m 17 1894 Carter - New York U S A
CAIN, Catherine Dtr 10 1901 School - Liverpool Lanc
CAIN, Mary Dtr 6 1905 - Liverpool Lanc

Haven't found Bernard or Bridget in 1891 yet.

Is this her heading for the US with two children?
Passenger: Bridget CAIN
Date of departure: 24 August 1892
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: New York, USA
Passenger destination: New York, USA
Age: Adult
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Wife
Passenger recorded on Page 3 of manifest.
The following children travelled with this passenger:
Fanny CAIN - 2 yrs > Page 3 of manifest
Infant CAIN - 2 mths? > Page 3 of manifest
Ship: TEUTONIC

Re Catherine leaving the UK.. there are 4 [bn 1902 +/- 2], but they are all going to the US between 1925 and 1948.

Hi Maggie,

Welcome to the forum here are some marriages for you:-

Name: Frances Cain
Marriage Date: 13 Nov 1915
Parish: St Alphonsus RC
Spouse's Name: Patrick Hughes
Father's Name: Bernard Cain
Spouse Father's Name: Patrick Hughes

Name: John Cain
Marriage Date: 5 Nov 1919
Parish: St Alphonsus RC
Spouse's Name: Mariam Moran
Father's Name: Bernard Cain
Spouse Father's Name: James Moran

Name: Frances Hughes (Cain)
Marriage Date: 2 Oct 1920
Parish: St Alphonsus RC
Spouse's Name: William P Gorman
Father's Name: Bernard Cain
Spouse Father's Name: William Gorman

Name: Margaret Cain
Marriage Date: 12 Apr 1921
Parish: St Alphonsus RC
Spouse's Name: John Donlevey
Father's Name: Bernard Cain
Mother's Name: Bridget Cain
Spouse's Parents Names: William & Eliz Donlevey


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I think this is the Fanny Cain leaving the UK with her mother in 1892...

Births Sep 1889: Cain, Frances Liverpool 8b 44
From http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk/index.htm
Baptism: ST SYLVESTER'S - bn 1889 - bpt 1889 - FRANCES CAIN or KANE - Father: BERNARD - Mother: BRIDGET DOUGHERTY

Found these baptisms also:
ST ALPHONSUS - bn 1895 bpt 1895 -JOHN CAIN - father BERNARD - mother BRIDGET DOHERTY
ST SYLVESTER - bn 1898 bpt 1898 - MARY ANN CAIN - father BERNARD - mother BRIDGET DOHERTY
ST SYLVESTER - bn 1897 bpt 1897 - ROBERT CAIN - father BERNARD - mother BRIDGET DOHERTY

Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923
about Miss Catherine Cain



Name:
Miss Catherine Cain
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1901
Age:
22
Arrival Date:
12 Sep 1923
Arrival Port:
Sydney, Australia
Departure Port:
Liverpool
Ship:
Runic
Nationality:
British

Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906
about Catharina Cain


Name:
Catharina Cain
Birth Date:
13 Apr 1901
Baptism Date:
22 Apr 1901
Parish:
St Brigid
Father's Name:
Bernardi Cain
Mother's Name:
Brigidae Doherty

Hi Maggie

Did you get the baptisms I posted on the Facebook page? I tried to post more info but you had already deleted the post...
anyway here they are again
Joannes Cain
Birth Date:
1 Oct 1895
Baptism Date:
6 Oct 1895
Parish:
St Alphonsus (Alphonsi)
Father's Name:
Bernardi Cain
Mother's Name:
Brigidae Doherty


Robertus Cain
Birth Date:
4 Mar 1897
Baptism Date:
10 Mar 1897
Parish:
St Sylvester (Sylvestri)
Father's Name:
Bernardi Cain
Mother's Name:
Brigidae Doherty

there is a death for Robert in Sep q 1897

Maria Anna Cain
Birth Date:
1 Mar 1898
Baptism Date:
5 Mar 1898
Parish:
St Sylvester (Sylvestri)
Father's Name:
Bernardi Cain
Mother's Name:
Brigida Doherty

Maria Cain
Birth Date:
11 Jul 1904
Baptism Date:
12 Jul 1904
Parish:
St Brigid
Father's Name:
Bernardi Cain
Mother's Name:
Brigidae Doherty

later: sorry DS, just noticed you have listed them

Bertieone wrote:Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923
about Miss Catherine Cain
Name: Miss Catherine Cain
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Age: 22
Arrival Date: 12 Sep 1923
Arrival Port: Sydney, Australia
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship: Runic
Nationality: British

Passenger: Miss C CAIN
Date of departure: 28 July 1923
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Melbourne, Australia
Passenger destination: Melbourne, Australia
Date of Birth: 1901 (calculated from age)
Age: 22
Occupation: Clerk
Passenger recorded on: Page 8 of manifest.
Ship: Runic
Most recent UK address: 20 Lathom Street, Kirkdale, Liverpool.

Name:
Barnard Cain
Arrival Date:
24 Jul 1920
Birth Date:
6 Jun 1864
Birth Location:
Runcora, (Runcorn)
Age:
56
Gender:
Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality:
English
Port of Arrival:
New York, New York
Ship Name:
Baltic


Bosun, 38 Lathom St, Liverpool

Name:
Bernard Cain

Date of Registration:
Jul-Aug-Sep 1864
Registration District:
Runcorn
Inferred County:
Cheshire
Volume:
8a
Page:
184


Name:
Bernard Cain
Birth Date:
abt 1865
Date of Registration:
Dec 1922
Age at Death:
57
Registration District:
West Derby
Inferred County:
Lancashire
Volume:
8b
Page:
420

Liverpool, England, Catholic Burials, 1813-1988
about Bernard Cain

Name:
Bernard Cain
Birth Year:
abt 1865
Age:
57
Death Year:
abt 1922
Burial Date:
5 Oct 1922
Parish:
Ford Cemetery

Residence, Stanley Hospital.

Thank you all
thought I would explain my mixed up searching as I did find out a lot 2 years ago, my father was born George Cain Dec 27 1921 poorhouse isle of man birth cert says Catherine Cain domestic Douglas no fathers name and baby was registered by the person who was in charge of the poor house, we cannot find any thing about George until 1927 where the family crennel applied for guardian money in which they were granted and on that form was written mother Australia ,[ up to finding that bit of info we thought Catherine was manx born person and the Catherine Cain I had for him was one born 1899 to john and jane but there is no trace of her after 1911, my friends who had ancestry accounts had come up with one Catherine Cain going to Australia and she was the one born in Liverpool 1901 to Bernard & Bridget on her passenger listings it says she is a clerk , Have I been barking up the wrong tree with this family , she [ Catherine ] is the only one that seems to fit but question is where was my father George from Dec 27 1921 to the day when crennel family asked for payment 1927, Do I need to start from scratch again ,,

I suggest you should try the poorhouse records. Your father may well have been fostered out as a 'nurse-child' to a caring family, possibly the Crennels. The local parish council would usually pay a small sum towards the child's upkeep. Quite a common practice. It seems a coincidence that the Crennel family's request for a 'guardian payment' is in the same year that formal adoptions became legal in the UK.

See: http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/n-o.html#N

I think you're on the right track Maggie. My great grandfather had an older sister who had a number of children out of wedlock in the Isle of Man. Her illegitimate children are strangely absent from the 1891 census but appear in later census years with a foster family or in service. Two possible scenarios:-

1) Catherine went to work as a domestic servant in the hotels in Douglas
2) Catherine went as a servant of a family who went to live over there


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Sometimes it's interesting to count back one of my Liverpool-Irish ancestors was born 9 months after St Patrick's Day. Counting back here takes us back to Easter:-

http://www.calendar-12.com/holidays/easter/1921


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