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I am trying to find the birth of my gt x2 grandmother Jane Fell (Fayle) b Isle of Man between 1810 and 1816. From her marriage (1832, St Peter's Liverpool to William Godsoe) her father was Paul Fell a farmer IOM. Using this and the unusual names of her children , I am 99% sure her parents were Paul Fell (Fayle) and Isabella Stevenson who married in Braddan in 1791 (I have details on file).

They had 12 Children, including Jane, whose birth/baptism I cannot find. One of these was Christian Fayle ( A girl) b 1815 baptised Braddan. I cannot find any other mention of her and wondered if she changed her name to Jane when she came over to Liverpool. I would like some help on this if possible, either with death, marriage or emigration of Christian or any further info on jane before her 1 st marriage.
Thanks Lynne

We have a number of links on the Websites boards for Isle of Man connections. See the following

http://www.forum.liverpool-genealogy.or ... an#p101615
http://www.forum.liverpool-genealogy.or ... man#p99761
http://www.forum.liverpool-genealogy.or ... sle+of+man
http://www.forum.liverpool-genealogy.or ... sle+of+man
http://www.forum.liverpool-genealogy.or ... sle+of+man
http://www.forum.liverpool-genealogy.or ... sle+of+man

I hope some of these will prove useful to you.

Thanks Mary. I have read all links and the ones that they link to, but to no availl. It was very interesting though.
Thanks again
Lynne

For anyone wanting to help this is the marriage record that confirms Jane's father was Paul Fell:-

Name: Jane Godsoe
Birth Year: abt 1819
Age: 42
Marriage Date: 1 Oct 1861
Parish: Liverpool, St John the Baptist with St Thomas
Spouse's Name: George Gaddarn
Father's Name: Paul Fell
Spouse Father's Name: William Gaddarn


Blue

Have you tried getting Paul's Will from the Manx Museum? Did he die in 1864?

http://www.imuseum.im/FamilyHistory/Vie ... ecord=true

If this is him there is a matching Will listed in the Will Index on the Lawson website. The Will might mention Paul's children. You can get JPEGs of the pages of Manx Wills from the Manx Museum. You would need to tell them the Will you want then they will give you a cost price based on how many pages it has. They can e-mail it to you which is what I usually ask for.


Blue

Unfortunately not. He did not leave a will nor did his wife Isabella. He died fron Cholera in 1832, buried Malew. Went to IOM in September and the Sexton got the grave yard maps and took us to all the Fell . Fayle graves in Malew grave yard. It was just like being on "Whood do you think you are ?"
I looked at the links from Mary and a lot were from you. Thanks they were very interesting. I could give you all the information I have in an other post.
Thanks Lynne.

Our members are always pleased to pass on some of the results of their own experience researching. Thanks Blue

I sometimes think I could write a book on this family. I've put this on another site as well, hope that is OK.
Paul Fell (father)
born 1770 Marown IOM. Married Isabella Stephenson B 1774 at Braddan in Nov 1791. Paul died Aug 1832 of Cholera. Isabella had predeceased him in 1825 a few months after their son Nelson in 1824.

Their children anre called Fell or Fayle depending on how the priest wrote it as they could not read or write.

Jane was married on 15 July 1832 in Liverpool. This does not give her father's name, but after William died in Jan 1858 aged 58, she remarried in 1861 to george Gaddarn (a sea farer) . This certificate gives her father as Paul Fell a farmer. Jane altered her age a lot on the censuses. Georgwe was younger than she was so I think she reduced her age a bit, whereas William was a fair bit older so her age was increased a bit.

Jane's siblings
1. Paul William b 1792 perhaps went to Liverpool as there is a Paul b IOM on 1841 census of the correct age.
2. Robert Fell b 1797 Douglas I presume he died but no evidence.
3&4. Twins Robert and Nelson b 23 March 1800, Douglas. As you said Robert lived and died in IOM. He married Jane Kewley 1831 in Kirk Rushen. He had a daughter Catherine b 1834, living with Jane on 1851 census. Nelson died 1824 and is buried by his mother and father.
5. Isabella 1802 no further knowledge on her.
6. John b 1804 perhaps died 1810 but not mentioned on grave stone as Nelson is. Silly me!! he will have died in Braddan or Douglas before the family moved from there.
7. Sarah b 1807 no further knowledge.
8. Catherine Fell (Cathe) b 1810 Married Flaxney Stowell in Nov 1832 in Castletown (Malew) Stayed therre until her death in 1898. Had no children that I can find.
9. Jane between 1811 and 1816. (No baptism found)
10. Christian Fayle (Fell) b 1815 no further info.
11. John b 1817 no further info.
12. William b 1820 at Marown. He lived with Catherine and Flaxney until his death in 1906. No marriage or children found.
The first 11 were christened in Braddan or Douglas (They are very close to each other), They then moved to Marown where William was christened then to Malew (or Castletown or Ballasalla all close together).

I was wondering if Christian (a girl) changed her name possibly when in Liverpool because of it being a boys name over here.
Would love to know when she left IOM and when and where baptised.

PS forgot to say I can't find William Godsoes birth/ baptism either. B c 1799, but don't know where. Maybe a William Godsoe Gordon b march 1799. Perhaps the piest dot confused because of strange surname???

Thanks for any help
Lynne

lynne99 wrote:I've put this on another site as well, hope that is OK.

We prefer a cross reference and to be kept up to date with results from the other site to save duplication of efforts.

Not sure what you mean. It is on the Bootle site
http://www.bootlehistory.co.uk/forum/viewforum.php?f=5
as topic "Help from your wonderful experts PLEASE"

Hope this is what you meant.

Also looked on Lawson micro site as Blue suggested and there are a few burials of John Fayle at Braddan before 1810, but it does not give ages/ parents etc.

Thanks Lynne

Could this 1817 baptism entry be Jane?

http://www.imuseum.im/FamilyHistory/Vie ... ecord=true

Did the information about the Cholera death come from a burial record entry, gravestone inscription or newspaper article?


Blue

I got the details about cholera from the entry in the parish register and local paper Manx Sun. It was not mentioned on the grave stone.
I have the copy for th baptism you mentioned. It states that Isabella was a widow Not the case as Paul died after Isabella. The father was not given. It would also mean that she had left IOM and got married before she was 16.

Thanks ever so much for your help. What do you think about Christian changing her name?? I can't find any trace, or possible trace of her.
Thanks again
Lynne

There might have been a change of name but there isn't enough evidence to prove it. The name Christian could always be changed to Christiana or Christina so I'm not convinced about the name change theory.


Blue