SKP needed... found already! Problem resolved.

[dickiesam]

If anyone is going to the Record Office I have a request for details from a 1903 marriage cert. I would normally buy the cert but this is on someone else's behalf, an elderly OAP trying to uncover the answer to an old family mystery.

John STACKHOUSE married Gertrude WILDING.
Registration district: Liverpool
Year of registration: 1903; Sep qtr
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 293
Register Office or Registrar Attended. I have good reason to suspect the former!

A son, Edward, was born later in 1903. Gertrude's father was Arthur Wilding, and I have the Wilding family back a long way, but I know nothing about John Stackhouse. I need his age, occupation and father's name/occupation to find out who he was before he married and where he went to after the marriage.

Gertrude married Herbert Thorn in the Dec qtr of 1942. Because there is only one entry in the Index against Herbert Thorn, that of Stackhouse, I believe she was a widow. But I haven't found a John Stackhouse death I can be sure about.

Herbert died in 1950 and Gertrude in 1953. I believe she had been a housekeeper for Herbert and his family since before 1911.

[jan44]

Hi DS,

The marriage was registry office or registrar attended, so it would be difficult to know where to look if it was a catholic church or if was a reg office wedding.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1903
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WILDING Gertrude STACKHAUSE John Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/256/117

Jan

[dickiesam]

Hi DS,

The marriage was registry office or registrar attended, so it would be difficult to know where to look if it was a catholic church or if was a reg office wedding.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1903
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WILDING Gertrude STACKHAUSE John Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/256/117

Jan

Hi Jan,
Thanks for the comment. Because I reckon Gertrude was fairly pregnant when she married I think a Registry Office would be the place. She was born abt 1886 so would have been barely 17/18 when she married.

[jan44]

Hi DS,

I found these in the 1914 Directory, don't know if there is a connection.

Stackhouse
Mrs Alice - Tobacconist 91 Rice Lane Walton
James - Carter 12 Sandstone Road Old Swan
JOHN- Brewer 34 Barnston St Birkenhead
Mrs Mary 68 Fountains Road

Jan

[dickiesam]

Hi DS,

I found these in the 1914 Directory, don't know if there is a connection.

Stackhouse
Mrs Alice - Tobacconist 91 Rice Lane Walton
James - Carter 12 Sandstone Road Old Swan
JOHN- Brewer 34 Barnston St Birkenhead
Mrs Mary 68 Fountains Road

Jan

Thanks Jan,
They are added to my ever-growing list of possibles....

[simone]

Just to add to your list... 2 baptisms John and William Stackhouse 23 November 1883 at St Peter, to John and Alice Jane of Scotland Place.. John was a Naturalist.
Other baptisms to this couple are another William in 1887, Bessie 1890 and Esther 1892

[simone]

Hi DS,

I found these in the 1914 Directory, don't know if there is a connection.

Stackhouse
Mrs Alice - Tobacconist 91 Rice Lane Walton
Jan

This lady is the mother of the baptisms I found, she is on the 1910 + 1 at this address with daughters Ann Jane, Bessie and Esther...

[jan44]

Hi Simone,

The people I have listed from the directory are all at the same addresses in the census, the only one I can't find is John Stackhouse the brewer in census.

Jan

[Daisycakes]

Hi DS,
No help but my grandparents the Taylors where living in 68 Fountains Road in 1914 and had their second son there.

Ann
I found these in the 1914 Directory, don't know if there is a connection.

Stackhouse
Mrs Alice - Tobacconist 91 Rice Lane Walton
James - Carter 12 Sandstone Road Old Swan
JOHN- Brewer 34 Barnston St Birkenhead
Mrs Mary 68 Fountains Road

Jan

[simone]

No, I can't see him either Jan

mind you I can't see the family I found in 1891... can see them in 1901 and 1911 though

[Daisycakes]

Hi DS,
No help but my grandparents the Taylors where living in 68 Fountains Road in 1914 and had their second son there.

Ann
I found these in the 1914 Directory, don't know if there is a connection.

Stackhouse
Mrs Alice - Tobacconist 91 Rice Lane Walton
James - Carter 12 Sandstone Road Old Swan
JOHN- Brewer 34 Barnston St Birkenhead
Mrs Mary 68 Fountains Road

Jan

Sorry I think my last post was in the wrong place so here it is again

No help but my grandparents the Taylors lived in 68 Fountains Road in 1914

Ann

[Tina]

Long shot
1891 John 12 in the courts Kitchen St, St Thomas Dist Gt George
Mother Mary 37 bn Ire married, Ann 10, Ellen 7, Mary 5, James 2.
1901 as Backhouse, Gt George courts Blundell St
Mary married husband at sea, no John.
Ellen,Mary and James.

[Katie]

DS. Me with my WW1 head on decided to look to see if there are any records for a John Stackhouse who possibly served WW1 and BINGO! Found this

STACKHOUSE, JOHN

Rank:
Private
Service No:
9486
Date of Death:
20/10/1914
Age:
30
Regiment/Service:
Manchester Regiment

2nd Bn.
Panel Reference
Panels 34 and 35.
Memorial
LE TOURET MEMORIAL

Additional Information:

Son of John and Alice Stackhouse; husband of Gertrude Stackhouse, of 24, Owen Rd., Kirkdale, Liverpool.

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casua ... SE,%20JOHN

Also there are 62 pages of Service Records on Ancestry for this man.

Was he leading a double life with another wife?

According to his service Records he was married in 1912 and a child born 1914 I think?

[dickiesam]

Katie! Your find is what I call a Eureka moment! Wow! I knew there quite a few John Stackhouse casualties in WW1 and for you to find the right one... Made my day and that of a certain lady in Cheshire who married John Stackhouse's grandson!

I don't have Ancestry. Any chance of my getting hold of those 60 odd pages of service records?

[Katie]

Marriage 1912 March qtr

John Stackhouse married Bessie Pinch Birkenhead 8a 758

March qtr 1914-Birth

John Stackhouse (Pinch) Birkenhead 8a 997

This must have put the cat amongst the pidgeons two wifes?

[Katie]

Katie! Your find is what I call a Eureka moment! Wow! I knew there quite a few John Stackhouse casualties in WW1 and for you to find the right one... Made my day and that of a certain lady in Cheshire who married John Stackhouse's grandson!

I don't have Ancestry. Any chance of my getting hold of those 60 odd pages of service records?

Did you do a little dance around the room and cartwheels. I skipped around the Record Office quite a few times when I find something

[dickiesam]

Marriage 1912 March qtr

John Stackhouse married Bessie Pinch Birkenhead 8a 758

March qtr 1914-Birth

John Stackhouse (Pinch) Birkenhead 8a 997

This must have put the cat amongst the pidgeons two wifes?

I think he must have been a busy clone, because there is Stackhouse nee Wilding birth in 1914:
STACKHOUSE, Mabel
Registration district: West Derby
Year of registration: 1914; Dec qtr
Mother's maiden name: Wilding
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 727

Mabel was my man Edward's sister.

[dickiesam]

Katie! Your find is what I call a Eureka moment! Wow! I knew there quite a few John Stackhouse casualties in WW1 and for you to find the right one... Made my day and that of a certain lady in Cheshire who married John Stackhouse's grandson!

I don't have Ancestry. Any chance of my getting hold of those 60 odd pages of service records?

Did you do a little dance around the room and cartwheels. I skipped around the Record Office quite a few times when I find something

Dance and shout yes... Cartwheels definitely not. Neither my knees nor house foundations would stand up to the impact!

[Hilary]

I've had a quick look at the records and they appear to mention both Bessie and Gertrude!! Definitely need further study!!!!

[Katie]

Exactly what I was thinking Hilary. Had a quick look in Newspapers online, but I can't see anything that jumps out at me.