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I'm looking for information on Joseph Johnson's family, specifically his son Gulielmus or William who was born Aug.18,1824 & baptised Sept.5,1824 in St. Nicholas. William married Victoria Mendoza. William was my great great grandfather.
Joseph, was a watchmaker/Jeweller married to Margaret Kempster July 12, 1824 in St .Nicholas. Margaret was born March 5, 1804 & baptised April 17, 1806. Joseph died June 28,1873 age 68 & Margaret Feb.27,1865 age60 according to Stone at Ansley Cemetery (Margaret & James buried at same place.
Joseph & Margaret had several children:(that I have so far)
William(Aug.18,1824)baptised Sept.5,1824 St.Nicholas, married Victoria Mendoza Campos. They had several children born in England too. Margaret, Isabel, Antonia Maria Anna, Joseph William (c.1861), Victoria also several were born in Mexico: Maria Marta (1864), Elena Ignacia (1867,my great grandmother), Anna Ricarda (1870), James.

Gilbert(1825),
Margaret(march 27,1827) married to John Cafferata, Our Lady of Mt.Carmel.
Elizabeth(1829-30),
Josephus (baptised Jan.16,1831)St.Nicholas,
Joannes (May 1,1832.baptised Jun.10,1832),
James(Dic.10, 1834, baptised Dec.28,1834) married Jane McGuire Oct.26, 1857, St Anthony.
Martha (baptised Jan.7,1837 St.Nicholas)
Mary Anna(March 16,1839)baptised April 7,1839), married Henry A. Barclay March 21,1861, St.Nicholas.
Helenora( May 7, 1843), married Walter Thomas Kean Oct.14,1873.
Jane (1841), St.Nicholas.
Martha Rosina (Jan. 18,1846) married Christopher Cavanaugh Jan.7,1874 St.Nicholas.
Adam
Josephus (baptised Jan. 16, 1831 St. Nicholas)
According to the 1841 census they lived in Perimeter Court.
On the 1871 census William, and Gilbert are not named.
James took over his fathers business located at Brownlow Hill.
This is all information I have so far.
Thank you, hope you can help me with information.

Hi and welcome to the forum

Elelarra wrote: according to Stone at Ansley Cemetery (Margaret & James buried at same place.

Just a question, is this mother Margaret and son James? and where is Ansley Cemetery please?

Are you able to be a little more specific as to what help you are looking for.

Could that be Anfield Cemetery?


Blue

Hi

When and where did William marry Victoria?


For the crew

1841
HO107; Piece: 561; Book: 15Folio: 24; Page: 40
Pennington Court
all born in county
Joseph Johnson 36 watchmaker
Margaret Johnson 36
William Johnson 17 watchmaker
Gilbert Johnson 15 watchmaker
Margaret Johnson 14
Elizabeth Johnson 12
James Johnson 6
Mary Johnson 2
Jane Johnson 2 Mo



1851
No6 Pennington Court, Trowbridge Street
HO107; Piece: 2183; Folio: 209; Page: 14
Joseph Johnson 46 watch finisher, 3 apprentices
Margt Johnson 46
Elizabeth Johnson 21
Margret Johnson 24
Mary Ann Johnson 12
Elenor Johnson 7
Martha Johnson 5
Georgeana Johnson 4 neice b London


1861
RG 9; Piece: 2681; Folio: 71; Page: 16
91 Brownlow Hill
all born Liverpool
Joseph Johnson 56 master Watch Finisher employing 1 man
Margret Johnson 56 daur
Margret Johnson 32 daur assisting at home
Eleanor Johnson 17 daur
Martha R Johnson 15 daur
Margret Johnson 13 grandaughter
Lydia Johnson 10 grandaughter


1871
RG10; Piece: 3781; Folio: 11; Page: 14
7a House, Cornwallis Terrace, Trowbridge st, Liverpool
Joseph Johnson 66 watchfinisher, widow b Liverpool
Helenora Johnson 26 unmarried, housekeeperb Liverpool
Martha B Johnson 24 unmarried servant, b Liverpool Old SWan
Martha Lawrenson 14

Ho and welcome,
If you have sightings on any of the family in any census can you tell the actual census page reference you are referring to? For the 1841 and 1851 censuses the reference will be similar to HO107 - Piece: 1234 - Folio: 567 - Page #: 89. For censuses after 1851 the HO107 is replaced by an RG number... 1861 is RG9 and continuing to RG14 in 1911.

All information that Simone has is what I have from the census.
Yes it's Anfield Cemetery and Pennington ct.
The specific information that I'm looking for is 1) what happened with William, where did he marry Victoria? We think it was in Liverpool. We also think William and Victoria's older children (Margaret Mercedes, Isabel, Joseph William (11 Oct 1861), Antonia Maria Anna, Victoria Johnson) were born in England but can't find information. Their younger children (Elena Ignacia, (1867) Anna Ricarda (1870), María Bartola ) were born in Mexico, James we don't know.
Daughters:
Victoria Johnson married Desiderio Rodriguez and lived in Mexico.
Antonia married Wilfrido Pliego and lived in Mexico.
Anna Ricarda married ? Johnson
María Bartola died very young.
Elena Ignacia (Nellie) married Francisco Porragas and lived in Mexico. She was my Great grandmother

2) Who were Joseph (William's father) parents? He is buried in Anfield Cemetery with his wife Margaret and son James and daug Martha Rosina.
If I can find a little more about his family would be great.

3)1861 census they mention granddaughter Margret, 13 yrs and Lydia 10 yrs old. Who were their parents?

Thank you for all responses

Just wanted to run this by anybody reading

Baptism at St Anne, 8th September, 1850 - birth 6th June, 1850
Lydia Roberts - parents Gilbert Molyneux & Anne Johnson (maiden name Speed)
Godparents - Joseph Johnson and Margaret Johnson

Also at St Nicholas on 19th March, 1848 - birth 28 February, 1848
Margareta Molyneux Johnson - parents Gilbert Molyneux and Anna Johnson (maiden name Speed)
Godparents - Patricus Fox and Margarita Johnson

Hi Mary,

That's what I just found, correct family me thinks.

Yep, looks good doesn't it Bert?

Marriage of Gilbert Molyneux Johnson to Ann Speed Q4 1847 Liverpool 20 178

Can't find where the marriage took place, no luck on LancsBMD or OPC nor Ancestry. If you need the cert you will have to order it from www.gro.gov.uk using the reference I have given above.

Margaritam Johnson, married, Michaelum Mullin,
31 Dec 1865,
St Francis Xavier
Fathers, Gilbert Molyneux Johnson, Michaelis Mullin

Witnesses, Gululmo Heyes, Martha R? Johnson

Marriage, 1874, Liverpool,
8b 350,

Lydia Roberts Johnson,
Robert Pugh.


Death, Oct 1906,
Lydia Roberts Pugh,
8c 289, Bolton