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can any tell me anything about 'the independent chapel' pennington in 1851
where was it? is it still there? what branch of christianity is it?
i have a marriage 27/04/1851 arnold mort, full age, a weaver, lord st bedford, father james
married ann bethell, full age, a weaver, duckingfield st, bedford, father richard.
can any tell me anything about arnold or ann, finally can you tell me where to look for arnold mort's birth in tyldesley circa 1830. many thanks. carol

Both Arnold and Ann appear in the census returns for 1851, 61 and 71. Ann is recorded as Bithell. By 1871 they have a sizeable family.
I have Morts in my family as well. Frank Mort married Sarah Leyland in 1890. Frank was born in Wigan in 1868. Maybe there's a connection?
I'm sure someone will come up with info on the chapel.
Barbara

Any help here,

http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/church ... Pennington

Independent chapels often had some link with Presbyterianism, others with Unitarianism.
D

Help here perhaps,

http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/libraries/ ... harris.asp

From http://www.lan-opc.org.uk


Independent (later Congregational and now United Reformed)

Google Leigh United Reform Church for more information.

hi barbara
i will look again on 1851 census as i've missed it, by 1871 ann had died and arnold re-married racheal houghton (nee atherton) in 1867. arnold had another 6 children. so with so many children there could be a connection. look at web sites below, these may help.
https://sites.google.com/site/mortfamilies/
and
www.mortfamily.net
any clues from anyone on how i can find arnold mort's birth in tyldesley in 1830, poss non-conformist would be appreciated, thanks.
good luck

May have absolutely nothing at all to do with your Morts, but thought I'd mention these in case they are related sideways perhaps, your Arnold named for an uncle perhaps?

Baptism - Ashton in Makerfield
17 Jun 1825 James 4th c & 4th s Arnold & Anne Mort, Nichol Lane AS, weaver 01 Jun 1825
13 Aug 1827 William 5th c & 5th s Arnold & Anne Mort, Whitledge Green AS weaver 05 Aug 1827
Burials - Ashton in Makerfield
02 Jul 1833 Joseph Mort s. Arnold & Jane Mort, Long Lane AS, Croop 1
29 Jul 1838 27 Jul 1838 Anne Mort d. Arnold & Anne Mort, Long Lane AS, Convulsions Inf.

More MORT baptisms that may be connected..
From the LOPC site:

Baptisms: 31 Dec 1826 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, England
Arnold Mort - Son of John Mort & Mary
Abode: Culcheth, Winwick
Occupation: Husbandman
Baptised by: Jacob Robson Off. Minister
Register: Baptisms 1825 - 1829, Page 15, Entry 116
Source: LDS Film 1885649

Baptisms: 12 Jul 1834 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, England
Arnold Mort - Son of Arnold Mort & Mary
Abode: Lowton
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: J. Topping Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1834 - 1839, Page 3, Entry 20
Source: LDS Film 1885645

Baptisms: 6 Sep 1835 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, England
Arnold Mort - Son of John Mort & Pheby
Abode: Atherton
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: Jas. Simpson Offg. Minr.
Register: Baptisms 1834 - 1839, Page 77, Entry 616
Source: LDS Film 1885645

hi mary and dickiesam
thanks for the info, i will double check everything,
the arnold mort's birth's is still a mystery, i have a marriage cert (at independent chapel) stating his father was James and census returns stating he was born in tyldesley approx 1830. thanks for your help tho. also think some mort's were 'non-conformists'
all interesting and poss' related as arnold's early occupation was a weaver. there are literally hundred's of morts in the leigh and surrounding area.
cheers
carol

You may be interested to know that there is a Mort family history website http://www.mortfamily.net.
The Mort family was quite a famous family in the Tyldesley area and had a house known as Dam House which
is still open to the public.

Also just to clarify what Hilary has already explained - Independents turned into Congregationalist and now United Reformed churches. Any religion that is not Church of England i.e., the Established Church are known as Non-Conformists. Non-conformists is an 'overall' description of anyone not attending the Church of England.

They may have had to get married in the Church of England if the non-conformist church was not licensed for marriages. Alternatively if the non-conformist church was licensed for marriages they may not have had their own registers so a local Registrar from the Register Office would have attended the marriage and registered it in his/her own register which would be classed as a 'Registrar attended' marriage on indexes such as www.lancashirebmd.org.uk

hi glenys
thanks for the info, i have been on the tour of dam house which was interesting and would make a good trip for the group if you have not already been. and the mort family web site is also a good help, also google 'mort families of lancashire bring up some interesting info. thanks for the non-conformist info some things i did not know there so that was very helpful. do you know if leigh library has non-conformist parish records pre 1837. i am looking for arnold mort birth 1830 and his father james mort birth/marriage/death. i have arnold's marriage cert 1851 which says his father james was a weaver and he is NOT recorded as deceased. As the "mort's" are a big family in the tyldesley area do you know if anyone at the leigh group has mort's in their family tree? any help greatly appreciated and i will see you at the next leigh meeting on 20/11.
thanks everyone
carol

Just checked my Morts and it seems they were from Cheshire, not Wigan
Any connections in that neck of the woods?
Barbara

hi barbara
i haven't found any connection to cheshire upto now. my morts are from tyldesley/bedford/hindley area. there are so many morts and with the same christian name, it can be difficult finding your mort descendant.my arnold married twice and had 11 children before he died age 46 yrs, i googled 'arnold mort 1830' and was surprised at the results, give it a try.
good luck
carol

Hello Carol,
Please forgive me if you've already been to the Leigh Group meeting and I've not put a face to your name. When you come in November please make a point of introducing yourself to me.

As I explained only Church of England registers are known as 'parish registers'. Some non-conformists did have their own registers and may be at Leigh Library. When you come to the meeting, we'll consult the Group's first project which is the Leigh Register Guide which lists all the churches in the area and explains where there Registers are. If you can't wait until then, you can always ring or email Hannah Turner at Leigh Library and she'll explain which church registers she has for the time you are looking at.

We have a lovely friendly lot as part of our Society, don't we?

Carol could I suggest that you insert your Society Membership number in your profile, it shows you are one of our crowd

hi glenys
thanks again for your reply i will introduce myself on 20th nov and have a look at the register, hopefully i will get a little further back.
hi mary
my no. 6121 duly inserted, thanks
regards
carol