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I am looking for the birth certificate of my Grand Mother Mary Jane McHugh, daughter of Patrick & Emily McHugh (nee Peters).

According to the 1911 Census she was living in 112 Hartington Road Sefton Park, working for the Pond family as a nanny, her age was given as 29 with an approx birth date of 1882, with the birth city of Liverpool.

I have had 4 attempts at purchasing her birth certificate from the GRO but none of them have the correct parents.

I know quite a bit about her: married in 1918 to Thomas Wilson in St Clare's Catholic Church Toxteth Park age at the time 36 years, she died in South Wales in 1964 age at that time 82.

Any help would really be appreciated if only to be pointed in the right direction

Thanks

Hi and welcome Mary

Can you tell us if you have found her on the census prior to 1911? where did you get her parents names from?

I can see Mary Jane McHugh on the 1891 b c 1886, but dad's name is Philip not Patrick. Just want to check as a correction has been done on Ancestry re her name by someone called 'BellDavies', and as your name is Bell is this you

could you tell us the wrong one's you have purchased, ( i.e year, quarter, and district) and if possible list all details from her marriage cert including witnesses.

Thanks

Simone x

No I have not found her before 1911 - yes I did do the amendment on the 1891 and belldavies is my ancestry name, I changed it because there was another child on the census Agnes E McHugh which is her sister's name and was of a similar age. and a mother Emily McHugh

Marriage 18th August 1918 to Thomas Wilson aged 44 living at 41 Maitland Street Toxteth Park. No father listed but his mother Eliza Wilson. Her father listed as Patrick McHugh deceased, who was a joiner. Marriage at St Clare's Catholic Church, Toxteth Park Witnesses:- William Evans who I think was my mum's uncle. and Amy Irene Pond who was my nan's employer at 112 Hartington Road. Toxteth Park.

Most of the information was on a scrappy piece of paper that my mother did for me before she died, who was Mary Jane's daughter Moira Joan Wilson.

Certificates:-

Mary Jane Mc Hugh 1st qtr 1882 (twice) 8b 180 Liverpool
Mary Jane Mc Kew 3rd qtr 1881 8b 599 West Derby

Unfortunately can not find the last one.

Thank you for your help

Hello Mary,
Re:

I have had 4 attempts at purchasing her birth certificate from the GRO but none of them have the correct parents

The next time you try for a birth cert make sure you quote the father's name. While the GRO withdrew the Reference Checking facility some years ago you can still enter parents' names by only entering the year and omitting any index references [Volume, Page, Quarter, etc], even if you have them and ticking the No box. A new page will open for names etc and the GRO will search 1 year either side of 'your year'. If they can't find the right cert you should get a full refund.

Thank you

Because Mary Jane married in an RC church I would have thought there would be an RC baptism. Have you checked the Ancestry Liverpool collection? And I would go back to at least 1875... Not unknown for a spinster to fib about her age even if only to gain employment.

For example...
MCHUGH, Mary Jane
Registration district: Liverpool.
Year of registration: 1876; Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 200

Hi,

1901 census,

28 Hawarden ave, Liverpool,

John Hide, head, 56,
Harriet, wife, 39,
Children,
Jane McHugh, 19, servant, bn Liverpool.

Rg 13, Piece 3440, Folio 65, Page 28,

Probably Mary Jane who was known as Jane or preferred to be called that.

No Jane McHugh registered birth in Liverpool between 1880/84.


Bert

for the crew, this is the entry I mentioned earlier, dad doesn't quite tie in with name or occupation although occupation may have changed

1891

RG12; Piece: 2996; Folio: 84; Page: 29
35 Rokesmith Street
Philip McHugh 30, carter, b Roscommon Ireland
Emily McHugh 28 B Chester, Cheshire
May Jane McHugh 5 b West Derby
Agnes E McHugh 2 b Toxteth Park

added later: I don't think this is your family as you say Emily's name was Peters?
This Agnes' baptism is on Ancestry and her mother's maiden name is Percival.

Where did you get Peters from?

Agnes Emily McHugh
Birth Date: 27 Aug 1888
Baptism Date: 17 Sep 1888
Parish: Our Lady of Lourdes and St Bernard
Father's Name: Philip Mchugh
Mother's Name: Emily Percival



Simone x

or maybe it is you family
1901 census
35 Rokesmith Street
RG13; Piece: 3488; Folio: 157; Page: 23.
Patrick McHugh 40 ? Labourer b Ireland
Emily McHugh 41 b Cheshire Runcorn
Agnes E McHugh 12 b Liverpool

Simone x

also


Elizabetha McHugh
Birth Date: 13 Jul 1884
Baptism Date:13 Jul 1884
Parish: St Oswald
Father's Name: Patricii Mchugh
Mother's Name: Emmae Percival



Robertus McHugh
Birth Date: 5 Aug 1885
Baptism Date: 23 Aug 1885
Parish: Our Lady of Lourdes and St Bernard
Father's Name: Patritii Mchugh
Mother's Name: Emmae Percival


Simone x

possible deaths
Elizabeth McHugh death sep q 1884, West Derby ,age 0, 8b 495
Robert McHugh death Sep q 1887, age 2, Toxteth Park 8b 219

have you tried this birth?


Mary McHugh
Jul-Aug-Sep 1885
Liverpool
Volume: 8b
Page: 65


can't find a marriage between Patrick/Philip and Emily either

Thank you everyboby for your help.

Indeed you are right, it does look like my mum got it wrong with Peters instead of Percival.

You have certainly set me on a new route. Is it possible that he could have been Phillip Patrick? I go by the name of Mary in day to day life but on official documents I use my first name which is Cecilia?

This is get to be an interesting seach - I have Emily McHugh's death cert with her husband listed as Philip McHugh for 12 May 1903 at 35 Rokesmith Street the address on the census for 1891, with the informant being M.J. (Mary Jane?) McHugh daughter, I also have PATRICK McHugh's death certificate for 14th October 1910 in Workhouse West Derby, which also has the informant as M.J. (Mary Jane?) McHugh daughter of 112 Hartington Road which is definitely my grandmother.(1911 census)

Bert, thank you for 28 Hawarden Avenue - she did have a pet names of Jenni so this is a good find thank you.

Still can't see the marriage I wonder if Mary Jane was born Percival there are a few candidates throughout the 1880's in both Runcorn and Liverpool

Simone x

Does this help as you mentioned Tom Wilson and William Evans
Eliza Wilson is Tom Wilson mother , stepson To her husband Francis Mulligan


Francis Mulligan , Daughter , my Nan Margaret Evans nee Mulligan

Margaret was married to William Evans ,A policeman in H division until 1919 ,they lived at 41 Maitland Street ,William He was sacked for going on strike (Another working class Hero )


He then went to sea as Master of Arms with Cunard in1939 he was given a shore job because of His age when he became a night watchman on the Liverpool docks

Eliza Husband Francis Mulligan .was a hard working labourer ,Sober , living with Tom Wilson and Margaret Evans ,always referred to as our Tom

Francis Mulligan was in good health in 1901 sometime after he was involved in a major accident He was buried in a rock fall
This was confirmed by a visit to Liverpool Central Libary were his medical record can be viewed in the Rainhil hospital documents His full life story and a photograph is told , Tom Wilson stepson is named in the record

The Record and Cencus record Francis mental health decline He was nursed at Home for many years until He was admitted to Rainhill for the last seven months of His life ,(another working class Hero )no compensation in those days

During this period My Nan Margaret Evans and Eliza took in boarders ,Margaret was a seamstress working from home

When she married ,she never picked up a needle and Cotten ever again



Tom Wilson (brass finisher ,Safe maker )and his wife worked as House keeper ,Tom as a driver for a wealth Family they lived in Green lane of Menlove Avenue my father said they worked for the Blue Bird Company out of Speke airport ?that could be heresay ?

I met My Aunt Ginny once ,at my older brothers( Francis )wedding ,she was living in Barry South Wales and her Husband worked for the Railway.I REMEBER HER during her stay I had a bad nose bleed she stuck me over the sink sticking the Back door key
Down my back

Francis ,Eliza ,Margaret ,William and My Aunty Celia ( age one ) are interned in New Tree Cemetery

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