Rotheram -Rainford and Bickerstaffe Look up

[Roth123]

Do you hold any records for Rainford ie Anglican and Independent.

My ancestors are from this area and since I live in Swansea I find it difficult to access records.

I can use online burial records to 1870 (through Lan OPC) but the records I require are in 1875. Can you help?

I am looking for the burial place of Jane Rotheram spouse of John Rotheram, Jane was born in 1806 and died Apr-Jun 1875.
Thank you any help would be helpful as this family is causing me headaches as I believe they could be Quakers and I am finding it very difficult to research them.

Does anyone have details of / or a plan of Bickerstaffe church grave yard as I know that another ancestor was buried there but I have no one in the area who can give me a look up to see if there is a headstone or not. This is John Rotheram(d of burial 6/1 / 1889) and I have proof that he is buried there but again I dont know where.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Regards

Eileen

[MaryA]

Hi an welcome to the forum.

As a Society we don't hold records for these churches, but I believe there should be some in the online shop http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/index.html

I believe the microfilmed records will be at St Helens Library. I know All Saints, Rainford are anyway. genuki lists a few churches in the Rainford area, however a useful listing is to be found on the LancsBMD site showing where the records are held http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/marrcov.php?region=WL in these cases at the main Lancashire Record Office in Preston.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/church ... 4739901415 but the one main one in Bickerstaffe is Holy Trinity, http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Bi ... nity.shtml however as some contact details seem to link to Aughton http://www.achurchnearyou.com/bickersta ... y-trinity/ it may be one of those Parishes that shares it's vicar with another. There is another contact page http://www.findachurch.co.uk/search/chu ... h_id=14001 if you were able to get a reference for the grave it might be possible for me to get a photograph for you - when these floods stop!!

[Roth123]

Thank you.

I have sent an email to the vicar of Holy Trinity to see if he can provide further details of the grave location.

If he can help I will be in touch and take up your kindly offer to photograph the grave - if of course there is a headstone.

Regards

[MaryA]

Look forward to hearing from you, the church is only a short distance from me.

[Blue70]

Ancestry have burial record images for Rainford but only up to 1870 like the OPC website. Have you tried contacting them for a look-up? It says this on the linked page below:-

"Through the same email address lookups are offered in the church parish registers, monumental inscriptions and photos of the gravestones. This free look up service is provided by a volunteer connected with the church and is not currently affiliated with the OPC project."

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Rainford/index.html


Blue

[Hilary]

Lancashire Record Office hold the original registers for Rainford and also have them on film. Someone has transcribed the records until well into the 20th century and the record office holds a copy of these transcriptions. In the not too distant future I shall be going up to Lancashire Record Office so will have a look if you will sent me a list of what you want looking up.

Bickerstaffe graveyard is not very big. When it actually stops raining and everywhere has dried out. I'll have a look when I'm in the area. Again add the name to the other ones. The Bickerstaffe records are also on film at Lancashire Record Office.

[MaryA]

Bickerstaffe graveyard is not very big. When it actually stops raining and everywhere has dried out. I'll have a look when I'm in the area.

Let me know when you are going, we could meet.

Eileen has Hilary says, we will need to wait a while, at present I don't know if we could even get there down the roads.

[Hilary]

Rainford has a United Reform Chapel with a long history back into the 17th century. This had a graveyard in it's earlier days. It's earlier records have been transcribed and are at Lancashire Record Office. The chapel is rferred to on Family Search as Rainford NC Dissenters as far as I remember.

Before the church was built in Bickerstaffe the parishioners attended the mother church in Ormskirk so it's always worth looking there as well.

If they were Quakers again you would be looking for records that are held at Lancashire Record Office. Do you know where the couple were married?

[Hilary]

Was Jane Jane Morefield? Is this their marriage?

Marriage: 22 Jan 1827 St Mary The Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
John Rotherham - (X), Labourer Bachelor of This Parish
Jane Morefield - (X), Spinster of This Parish
Witness: Henry Rotherham, (X); Ann Morefield, (X)
Married by Banns by: George Greaves Curate

I see they are in Windle in 1841, Bickerstaffe 1851 and 1861 and Rainford 1871. John was buried on 9 Jan 1889 at Bickerstaffe. On all the census he is given as a labourer of some sort. I would think it unlikely that there was a gravestone. John states he's born Knowsley and Jane Upholland. Their children are all baptised in C of E churches.

Baptisms: 1 Apr 1827 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
Sarah Rotheram - Daur of John Rotheram & Jane
Abode: Prescot
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: George Greaves

Baptisms: 27 Sep 1829 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
John Rotheram - son of John Rotheram & Jane
Abode: Whiston
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Chas. Geo. Thom. Driffield

Baptisms: 27 Sep 1829 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
John Rotheram - son of John Rotheram & Jane
Abode: Whiston
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Chas. Geo. Thom. Driffield
Register: Baptisms 1828 - 1835, Page 59, Entry 471
Source: LDS Film 1657583

Baptisms: 13 Nov 1831 St Mary (now St Helen), St Helens, Lancashire, England
Alice Rotheram - Daughter of John Rotheram & Jane
Abode: Windle
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: T. Pigot
Register: Baptisms 1824 - 1833 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page [232], Entry 1855
Source: LDS Film 1469036

Baptisms: 22 Jan 1834 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
Joshua Rotheram - son of John Rotheram & Jane
Abode: Rainhill
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Chas. Geo. Thom. Driffield
Register: Baptisms 1828 - 1835, Page 236, Entry 1885
Source: LDS Film 1657583

Baptisms: 3 Apr 1836 All Saints, Rainford, Lancashire, England
Ann Rotheram - Daughter of John Rotheram & Jane
Born: 15 Feb 1836
Abode: Rainford
Occupation: Husbandman
Baptised by: Wm Ellam
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1840, Page 160, Entry 1276
Source: LDS Film 1657568

Baptisms: 31 Dec 1837 All Saints, Rainford, Lancashire, England
Ellen Rotheram - Daughter of John Rotheram & Jane
Born: 26 Nov 1837
Abode: Rainford
Occupation: Husbandman
Baptised by: Wm Ellam
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1840, Page 178, Entry 1420
Source: LDS Film 1657568

Baptisms: 22 Nov 1840 All Saints, Rainford, Lancashire, England
Margaret Rotherham - Daughter of John Rotherham & Jane
Born: 29 Oct 1840
Abode: Rainford
Occupation: Husbandman
Baptised by: Wm Ellam
Register: Baptisms 1840 - 1861, Page 9, Entry 65
Source: LDS Film 1657568

Baptisms: 14 May 1843 All Saints, Rainford, Lancashire, England
Robert Rotheram - Son of John Rotheram & Jane
Born: 17 Apr 1843
Abode: Rainford
Occupation: Labourer
Notes: [Surname contains 2 entries Rotherom then Rotheram. Possibly Rotherom is
misspelling and should have been crossed through by minister]
Baptised by: John Sheldon


Where does the Quaker come in? Is it earlier?

[Hilary]

Is this Jane's baptism?

Baptisms: 16 Feb 1806 St Thomas the Martyr, Up Holland, Lancashire, England
Jane Moorfield - Daughter of Richard Moorfield
Abode: UpHolland
Occupation: Collier
Register: Baptisms 1789 - 1812, Page 53, Entry 8

[Roth123]

To Blue
I have contacted Lancashire OPC- Rainford. The message I received was Rainford Parish only had records to 1870 and I was directed to yourselves for help.
Thanks for message.

Roth123

[Roth123]

Dear All

John Rotheram married Jane Morefield in 1827 - banns were read (see Prescott)
They were independents and the family are in the non conformists records - see National Archives.
Their first born daughter Mary 1827 is in the Non Conformists records (She is my ancestor) -there is no other parish record for her until she gives birth to her son in 1850 West Derby -Robert Rotheram.
Marys Siblings are in the Independent records Isaac and William, however they only had short lives. There is a Ellen and a Margaret again both died in young age. The only surviving children were Ann(1836) and Jane (1847). I have Janes birth certificate which confirmed mothers maiden name as Morefield.

I cant find Jane Rotheram (Johns wife) burial so my reason to find John as may be they are together. The grave may have a few members (hopefully). But then again Jane could be with the bodies of the children she had lost ( They are in Rainford)
What confuses things is that there is another John and Jane Rotheram in the area but they get married at an earlier date and they seem to have their children christened between Anglican and Independent churches as well again with similar names- no wonder that everyone gets confused.

My block Is John Rotheram - his baptism is in Pitt street chapel Liverpool -see OPC father Jonas Rotheram mother Mary and if anyone out there can crack this one which has been around for 20 years . I cant find Jonas at all, the National Archives say NC Dissenters. I had presume Quakers but then again it could be an independent church such as United Reform - ( I will have to wait until I retire b4 I can get the time to search these records)

Thanks for all your help - by the way I was born in Tyldesley so I am still a Lancashire lass at heart.

Regards
Roth123

[Roth123]

To Hiliary
Yes Jane Morefield baptised in Upholland.
Yes to marriage record found in Prescott.
Yes to some of the children found but not all of them.
I have looked in Knowsley records but no parish church in 1806 suspected Independent records - found John Rotheram in Non conformist records in National Archives.

Further info, after Janes death in 1875 John moves from Old Lane Cottage Rainford to Liverpool Road Bickerstaffe and in 1881 he is living with with daughter Ann and son in law Thomas Tasker. I have Johns death certificate it was Ann who was the informant.

Regards

Roth 123

[Blue70]

To Roth123,

That page has been changed since I put the link up. Did you see what it said before they changed it? That's annoying that they changed it mid-thread! Maybe your enquiry made them change it. It did say there was a free look-up service through a volunteer for the church who was separate from the OPC. They must have discontinued it.

Blue