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Can anyone find Emma after the 1901 census? I've had no luck on the 1911, can't find a marriage or a death.
She was born 1888 in Liverpool and her parents were Allen and Margaret Makin. She had a sister, Daisy Patience who went on to be a nurse and travelled to America before settling in England in 1950. She never married. Daisy died in 1952 and left a will but there's no mention of Emma. Should I assume that Emma died before Daisy and if so did she marry?
Any help much appreciated. It's not urgent, just niggling.
Thanks in advance
Barbara

Who registers Allen's death in 1903? Where's Margaret in 1911?

Do you have Daisy on passenger lists?

The couple appear to have had other children who must have died.

Margaret appears to have also died in 1903. How sad for the girls losing their parents in the same year.

I wonder if they are with relations in 1911 perhaps not using their own surnames?

I think Daisy is a servant at 71 Grove St Liverpool in 1911 transcribed as Daisy P Mabrin

A passenger list for Daisy shows her entering the country from Montreal in 1939 address Mill Road Infirmary. And again in 1950 giving an address of 6 Valescourt Rpad West Derby. I wonder who else lived there?.

There might be staff records for Mill Road that would give next of kin.

Also in 1910 Daisy was confirmed at St Saviour's Liverpool home address 71 Grove Street again I wonder who else lived there.

Education Officer wrote: Also in 1910 Daisy was confirmed at St Saviour's Liverpool home address 71 Grove Street again I wonder who else lived there.

That's the same place as she was the following year in the census, working as a servant.

Just checked my directories for 1911 and 1914

Miss Rachael Nicoll was listed in both for 71 Grove Street E

Interestingly there was a Mrs Ada Makin at 113 Grove Street E, not sure if she is a relative?

No sign of Emma though.

I did put in a search for deaths for just Emma Amelia Victoria b. 1888 no surname and then cross checked them for marriages with all the surnames that came up, but nothing!

Haven't found what happened to Emma yet but here's Daisy leaving the country..

MAKIN, Daisy - Yob 1891 - dep 16/05/39 from Liverpool for Montreal. Ship: Duchess of Richmond.
Occupation: Sister at Mill Road Infirmary.
MAKIN, Daisy P Yob 1891 - dep 28/02/47 from Southampton for New York. Ship: Queen Elizabeth.
Occupation: Sister at Alder Hey Hospital, Eaton Road, Liverpool.
MAKIN, Daisy - Yob 1891 - dep 19/03/49 from Liverpool for New York. Ship: Media.
Occupation: Sister at Alder Hey Hospital, Eaton Road, Liverpool.

Liverpool Record Office holds records for both Mill Road and Alder Hey according to the Hospital Records Database.

Emma is 3 in 1891, Allen her father 36 leather curer, Margaret 31, Daisy 1yr, Everton.
Marriage Allen to Margaret Shaw Kirkdale St Mary's 1883.
1901 Emma E J is 12yrs, another initial.
Cancel the initial J error, should read V

born 26/7/1888
bapt 2/9/1888
Christ Church Everton to Allen & Margaret.
48 Edinburgh St, father labr.

Thanks to everyone for the help. Still no sign of Emma.
I think the Valescourt address that Daisy went to is a relative of her mother's. I'm sure someone on the forum found that out for me but I can't find it.
Emma remains a mystery. Is it possible she emigrated with Daisy and never came back?
Barbara

Death Allen Makin dec qtr W Dby 1903 aged 48yrs.

Death of Margaret W dec qtr W Dby 1903 aged 43 yrs.

Ages fit in with 1901 census.

To die together, you have to wonder.
By 1911 Emma could have married?

Barbara B wrote:Thanks to everyone for the help. Still no sign of Emma.
Emma remains a mystery. Is it possible she emigrated with Daisy and never came back?
Barbara

Hi Barbara,
No identifiable sign of Emma on the outgoing passenger lists. I don't think Daisy emigrated, rather she was visiting overseas, perhaps in an official working capacity. All three of her entries show England as eventual destination. There should be return dates on Ancestry to match the departure dates.

A thought... was Daisy going across the Atlantic to visit Emma who had somehow slipped across before 1911?
There is an Emma leaving in March 1911 listed as a 'wife' which is why I previously passed over her but she is unaccompanied. No age given and perhaps 'wife' was to deter shipboard suitors?
Name: Emma MAKIN
Date of departure: 31 March 1911
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Halifax, Canada
Passenger destination: Halifax, Canada
Occupation: Wife
Ship: VIRGINIAN

Border Crossing from Canada to USA
Name: Daisy Patience Makin
Arrival Date: 27 May 1939
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Duchess of Richmond
Port of Departure: Greenock
Age: 49 Years 10 Months
Birth Date: abt 1889
Birth Country: England
Gender: Female
Race/Nationality: English
Record Type: Manifests

New York Passenger List
Name: Daisy P Makin
Arrival Date: 5 Mar 1947
Birth Year: abt 1891
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: Liverpool, England
Age: 56
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Queen Elizabeth

UK Incoming Passenger List
Name: daisy P Makin
Birth Date: abt 1890
Age: 60
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 7 Oct 1950
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Montreal
[Quebec]
Ship Name: Empress of France
Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific
Official Number: 160482

Honolulu, Hawaii, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1900-1959
Name: D Makin
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Vancouver, British Columbia
Departure Date: 29 Sep 1915
Port of Arrival: Honolulu, Hawaii
Arrival Date: 6 Oct 1915

Border Crossings from Canada to USA
Name: Emma Makin
Arrival Date: May 1914
Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Age: 26
Birth Date: abt 1888
Birth Country: England
Gender: Female
Race/Nationality: English
Record Type: Manifests

Michigan Passenger and crew Lists
Name: Emma Makin
Arrival Date: 15 May 1914
Port of Arrival: Port Huron, Michigan
Record Type: Card

Canadian Passenger Lists
Name: Emma Makin
Gender: Female
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Date of Arrival: 7 Apr 1911
Vessel: Virginian
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-4739

Canadian Passenger Lists
Name: Emma Makin
Gender: Female
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Date of Arrival: 10 Feb 1913
Vessel: Corsican
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-4746

UK Incoming Passenger Lists
Name: Emma Makin
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 16 Jul 1903
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Teutonic
Shipping Line: White Star Line
Official Number: 96334

Hi MaryA,
Re:

Canadian Passenger Lists
Name: Emma Makin
Gender: Female
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Date of Arrival: 7 Apr 1911
Vessel: Virginian
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-4739

That's the one that matches my outgoing find pre-1911 census. And now we have an age that is a very near match! Are we getting warm?

UK Incoming Passenger Lists
Name: Emma Makin
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 16 Jul 1903
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Teutonic
Shipping Line: White Star Line
Official Number: 96334[/quote]

Well done Mary finding all that info

However that last record from New York gave Emma's nationality as Foreigner!, she was also a housekeeper!

We need someone to try and check the census in Canada in 1911. There is a Thomas Makin b.1891 England in Halifax Nova Scotia, relative maybe? I haven't a full sub

To clear the mist.. this is an Australian arrival that isn't our Emma, too old.

Emma MAKIN
Date of departure: 30 July 1915
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Sydney, Australia
Passenger destination: Sydney, Australia
Date of Birth: 1866 (calculated from age)
Age: 49
Marital status: Married
Travelled with her husband Casson MAKIN, a grocer.
Ship: OSTERLEY

EDITED TO amend information.

I've removed that entry to save confusion then.

1911 Canada - Militia Barracks, Halifax City, Nova Scotia
Name/Place of Habitation/Gender/Relationship to Head/Status/Month of Birth/Year of Birth/Age last Birthday/Place of Birth/Year of Immigration to Canada/Year of Naturalization/Racial Origin/Nationality/Religion/Occupation/Living on own means/Employer/Employed/Working on own account/Where employed/Weeks employed in 1910 at Chief Occupation/Weeks employed in 1910 at other than chief occupation/Hours of Working at Chief Occupation/ Hours of working other/Total earnings in 1910 from Chief Occupation/ - - - - - -/Can read/Can Write/Language commonly spoken
Thomas Makin/ Citadel /M /Lodger /S /Nov /1891 /20 /England /- /- /English /Canadian /Anglican /Soldier /3 /600 /- /Yes /- /- /52 /- /35 /- /200 /- - - - - - /Yes /Yes /E

I hope you can work out the information to the headings.

Ermm? Who is Thomas Makin? Are we thinking cousin?

Births Mar 1892: MAKIN, Thomas William - Liverpool - 8b - 116

MAKIN, John - Head - Married - 39 - General Labourer - Liverpool, Lancashire
MAKIN, Margaret - Wife - 52 - Sick Nurse - Ireland
WILLIAMS, Martin - Step-son - 16 - Apprentice Iron Dresser - Liverpool, Lancashire
MAKIN, Marion E - Dtr - 14 - Apprentice Tailoress - Liverpool, Lancashire
MAKIN, Edward Son - 12 - Liverpool, Lancashire
MAKIN, Thomas - Son - 10 - Liverpool, Lancashire.

RG13 - Piece: 3408 - Folio: 93 - Page: 18.
Address: 198 Athol Street, Liverpool.