Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Hello,
I've been searching for this part of my family tree for a very long time. I'm hoping that somebody can help me with my brickwalls. This is what I know:

Charles Jameson son of Alexander Jameson married Margaret Hall daughter of George Hale
in May Street ,Belfast, Antrim May 16 1861
Charles Jamieson is 42 in the 1871 census and working as a dock labouer.
Margaret Hall is 33 in the 1871 census.
They have three children.
Margaret A Jamieson is 14 in the 1871 census.Charles Jamieson possibly had Margaret before his 1861 marriage to Margaret Hall.
John James Jamieson is ten in the 1871 census.
Hannah sometimes (Anne) Jamieson born 8th September 1867 in Regent Street ,Liverpool.

I have found a burial record for Charles Jamieson in June 24th 1875. He was resident at 61 Regent Street and was buired at Parochial, Cemertery, Rice Lane, Walton Liverpool.
i know that Hannah moves to Scotland and marries Peter Ritchie in new years eve 1887. I however cant trace any of her family after the 1871 census. Apart form Charles Jamiesons Burial Record and Margaret Halls second marriage to David Gillespie son of Maxwell Gillespie on 9 th september 1879 at St Pauls Church Liverpool. David Gillespie was also a widow and a resident at Regent Street. He worked as a sail-maker. In this record Margaret Halls married name of Jamieson is recorded as Jannison.

I would really appreciate if anyone could help me out no matter how small so that i can begin to piece together what happened to Hannahs mother step father and siblings.
Thanks in advance

Lola

Hi Lola and welcome,
It would appear from the 1871 census that the 2 older children, Margaret A and John James, were born in Ireland in 1857 and 1861 respectively and it looks possible that they are not children of his 2nd wife Margaret who he married in Belfast in 1861. And I think it is likely that John James was actually born in 1860.

To assist in finding the Gillespie family after the 1879 marriage what age is given for David Gillespie and does the cert indicate what number Regent Street he lived at? I haven't yet found them in England or Wales in 1881.

In the 1871 census there are 71 David Gillespie entries, of varying ages, and all but 6 are in Scotland. There are none in Lancashire. Since Hannah/Ann Gillespie [step-daughter] married in Scotland I would think it likely that the family moved to Scotland after the 1879 marriage and could be in the Scotland census of 1881.

Hi and welcome to the forum.

Sorry DS - full age given for both of them and no number Regent Street given for either.
Witnesses were Richard Battersby and Eliza Jane Turtle

In case it is of any help, Margaret appears to be semi literate in that she attempted to sign her name but her spelling isn't good, Margat Janson is how she spells her name.

Hi Lola, welcome to our forum
All the best with your search.
I had a Gt Auntie whose name was Lola.
Lovely to meet you!!

On the cover sheet for 1871 Anne listed as born Ireland.
I will send an error to Anx, it deffo states Lpool.
Charles is out of employ as a dock labr.

Hi Lola,

Not sure if you have this?

Hannah's baptism is on the OPC


Baptisms: 8 Sep 1867 St Matthias, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Hannah Jamieson - Child of Charles Jamieson & Margaret
Abode: Regent Street
Occupation: Dock Labourer
Baptised by: Alex Smith
Register: Baptisms 1834 - 1926, Page 118, Entry 942
Source: LDS Film 1656207

There is another child listed born to Charles Jamieson & Margaret, abode 59 REGENT ST;

Baptisms: 1 Oct 1865 St Matthias, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
George Jameson - Child of Charles Jameson & Margaret
Born: 29 Jul 1865
Abode: 59 Regent St
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Wm Evans
Register: Baptisms 1834 - 1926, Page 108, Entry 858
Source: LDS Film 1656207

Sadly, his possible death: Jamieson George 1 Liverpool Sept 1866 8b 81

Doesn't knock down your brick walls I know but a little more info.

Gray

Sad find Gray for the little fella.
They were at 44 Regent St in 71.

Hi Mary
Anx have Margaret listed twice in 1879 marriage, as Jamieson and again as Jamson.
Lancs BMD as Jamieson.
Where are they in 81??
As D.S said, Scotland?

Been trying to find out where David Gillespie was before he married Margaret Jamieson. In 1871 there are only 14 hits for the name [any age] in England, Scotland and Wales and only 3 are not in Scotland.

None of those 3 are a sail maker or in any trade near that. Assuming David would have been of a similar age to Margaret, bn abt 1838, there are only 5 hits in Scotland's People for a DG with YoB between 1830 and 1845. Looks like a purchase of credits and a trawl of the results for a sail maker could be on the cards.

In the Scots 1881 there is only 1 DG [aged between 40 and 50] with a Margaret in the household but he is an engine fitter and Margaret is a daughter.

Just a thought.. Can anyone find this DG in 1881?
Deaths Sep 1885: GILLESPIE, David - 56 - Toxteth Park - 8b - 182.

David Gillespie is buried at Toxteth Park Cemetery. He died in the RS Hospital Toxteth and is listed as an engineer. One other person in the grave but not a family member so far as I can tell. Is he the right man or not??
Barbara

i know that Hannah moves to Scotland and marries Peter Ritchie in new years eve 1887.

Hi Lola,
The above year is probably a typo? That marriage date is 31/12/1886.

Wondering if this is Hannah/Ann's half-brother bn Ireland abt 1861..

Marriage: JAMIESON, John James married either KERR, Catharine or MCMURRAY, Phoebe.
Registration district: West Derby
Year of registration: 1881 / Jun qtr
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 841.

Possible births.baptisms? But mother's maiden name is shown as Loft?
ST JAMES - bn 1894 - bpt 1900 - ADELINA DOROTHY JAMIESON - father JOHN JAMES - mother PHOEBE [LOFT].
ST FRANCIS XAVIER - bn 1888 - bpt 1900 - JOHN GORDON JAMIESON - father JOHN J - mother PHOEBE E.
ST JAMES - bn 1883 - bpt 1900 - PHOEBE ELIZABETH JAMIESON - JOHN JAMES - PHOEBE [LOFT]

In 1901:
JAMIESON, John - Head - 42 - Stationer - L'pool, Lancashire.
JAMIESON, Phoebe - Wife - 38 - L'pool, Lancashire
JAMIESON, Phoebe E - Dtr - 17 - L'pool, Lancashire
JAMIESON, John G - Son - 12 - L'pool, Lancashire
POWELL, Elsie - Boarder - u/m - 18 - L'pool, Lancashire.
Address: 37 Stanley Road, Bootle.
RG13 - 3458 - 155 - 52.

No sign of Adeline Dorothy yet.

Hi DS,

Wondering if this is Hannah/Ann's half-brother bn Ireland abt 1861..

Marriage: JAMIESON, John James married either KERR, Catharine or MCMURRAY, Phoebe.
Registration district: West Derby
Year of registration: 1881 / Jun qtr
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 841.



That marr is on the OPC DS,sadly wrong father.

Marriage: 17 May 1881 St Jude the Apostle, West Derby, Lancashire, England
John James Jamieson - 23 Barman Bachelor of 21 Edgemount, Paddington
Phoebe McMurray - 19 Spinster of 21 Edgemount, Paddington
Groom's Father: John Jamieson, Seaman
Bride's Father: Joseph McMurray, Engineer
Witness: Lesley Dodd; Mary Ellen Lewis
Married by Banns by: J. D. Cannon, B. A. Curate of St Nicholas
Register: Marriages 1876 - 1891, Page 122, Entry 244
Source: LDS Film 1545847

I have played around with various tricks, cannot find any one

Gray

Barbara B wrote:David Gillespie is buried at Toxteth Park Cemetery. He died in the RS Hospital Toxteth and is listed as an engineer. One other person in the grave but not a family member so far as I can tell. Is he the right man or not??
Barbara

David died 1885

Dickiesam
Can anyone find this DG in 1881?
Deaths Sep 1885: GILLESPIE, David - 56 - Toxteth Park - 8b - 182.

There are a couple of marraiges on Anx, with father as David Gillespie, Engineer
1882- Rachel Gillespie age 23 m Octavious Henry Davey... father a 'naval engineer'
1902 - James Gillespie age 24, m Margaret May McLeod .. father an 'Engineer' deceased.

Simone x

Just as a maybe, 1881 census Scotland,(realise Margaret should be Gillespie), there is an Ann Jamieson b 1867 Liverpool, with a Margaret Jamieson, servant, b Ireland c 1832, Inmate at Carrick Street, Blythswood, Glasgow
ED: 25; Page: 5; Line: 20; Roll: cssct1881_230.

All women in this institution

Wow i am literally blown away with the amout of replies i have recieved. Thankyou EVERYONE for taking the time to help me. It means alot!!!

Thanks Mary A for finding out some info about Margaret for me!

Thanks to Gray for finding out about George Jamieson I can now put him on our family tree.

Yeah it was a typo regarding Hannah and Peters Marriage. I just saw 1887 at the top of the marriage entry as this was when it was recorded although they married on new years eve 1886.

Simone thanks for locating Hannah and her mother in the 1881 census. I have a strong feeling this is them. I will go check it out! Hannah found work as a chambermaid at Peter Ritchies family home. They fell in love and got married which caused a bit of a scandal!

We always knew Hannah was Irish. We never knew where in Irleland she was from but i will find that out! when we found out she was born in Liverpool it was a bit of a shock. Even my Gran her grandaughter never knew that.

Thanks Tina for helping me out to! I hope to find out what happened to her siblings and DG. This all looks very promising!

Im writing this very quickly. Going to read through the posts again! Thanks Again everyone!

Lola

Also reading through this i noticed the possible link with DG and his occupation of being an engineer.

When Hannah Died in December 1955 her father was listed wrongly as her brother John James Jamieson and his occupation was an engineer. Perhaps thats a link?

Lola