Keegan

[sam_allen0]

Hi,

Would like some advice on how to find Mary Keegan with her two sisters as keep getting wrong information as would like to get birth certificate for Mary Keegan and her sisters. They were born in Widnes. Mary Keegan was born around 1877.

I am happy to visit libraries to find out about this information - which library would be best for me to visit?

Look forward to some advice or tips.

Sam

[kenneth]

Hi Sam and welcome
Mary Teresa Keegan b Oct/Dec 1877 ref Prescott 8b 698 ( source FreeBMD ) You should be able to get the b/c from the Govt Reg Office if you think this is the correct one.
A few more details about the family will help the other listers to provide assistance
Ken

[Tina]

Hi Sam, a warm hello and welcome from the forum.
They will be able to help with information about libraries.
May I just ask if Mary is with her parents Bernard & Mary & siblings Bernard, Sarah & Ellen.
1881 Widnes?
1891 aged 12 with her widowed father boarding in Halewood. No other kiddies
Added later Sarah Ann 14 servant, Ellen 8 adopted daughter
with Johanna Gleeson wid & family, Widnes

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

I wonder if you will find a little background information about certificates etc. helpful, please look at this link which might help http://www.forum.liverpool-genealogy.or ... =25&t=6937

Widnes library hold a number of Parish Registers that you will find useful, a list of those held by them ha been put together here http://www.forum.liverpool-genealogy.or ... lit=widnes

When you do place an order always make sure that you state you only want the certificate if the details - ie parents names if you are sure of them - are correct.

Meantime, if you are able to give us a little more information, such as confirming the census information Tina has given, best to give the census in full, including all the children's ages and birthplaces, we may be able to help pinpoint which is the best birth certificate to order.

[dickiesam]

Hello Sam and welcome,
If Mary and her siblings were all born in the Widnes area their births would probably have been registered in the Prescot District office.

You don't name Mary's sisters in your post so this is the list of possible births from FreeBMD:

All female Keegan births registered in Prescot, 1870 to 1885:
Births Sep 1871: Keegan, Jane - Prescot - 8b - 554
Births Jun 1872: Keegan, Mary Jane - Prescott - 8b - 619
Births Mar 1874: Keegan, Catherine - Prescott - 8b - 629
Births Jun 1877: Keegan, Sarah Ann - Prescott - 8b - 650
Births Dec 1877: Keegan, Mary Teresa - Prescott - 8b - 698

Tina found a family in 1881 with 2 children from the above list. There is a 3rd child in the household, Ellen bn abt 1880, but there isn't an Ellen Keegan registered in Lancashire so she is a bit of a mystery at the moment. There are 2 Mary Ellens but none in Prescot.
KEEGAN, Mary Ellen - Liverpool - 1880.
KEEGAN, Mary Ellen - Manchester - 1881.

[Hilary]

Is this the family in 1881?

24 Penn St Widnes
Bernard Keegan 40 gen labourer bn Ireland
Mary wife 30 bn Ireland
Bernard son 7 bn Ireland
Sarah daur 4
Mary saur 2
Ellen daur 1
last 3 born Widnes

I opresume the family are RC and I think if I were you I would try and track down the baptism recprds for the 3 girls. I think it likely that WidnesLibrary would have a filmed copy of the RC church baptism register. However I would contact them first and ask. Their website indicate they have these two
St Marie Widnes
St Patrick West Bank

[MaryA]

The dates of the records available for those two churches are
St Marie Widnes, [RC]
Baptism Mar 1861 - Mar 1901
Burial Apr 1865 - Jul 1899

St Patrick Widnes [RC]
Baptism Oct 1888 - Mar 1906
Burial Jul 1880 - Jun 1899

[sam_allen0]

I guess this street 24 Penn Street has disappeared as tried looking for it on google only come up 24 Penn Lane, Halton?

I have contacted the library - I am awaiting for their reply now.

Much appreciated for all your advice and help.

Happy Bank Holiday.

Sam

[dickiesam]

I guess this street 24 Penn Street has disappeared as tried looking for it on google only come up 24 Penn Lane, Halton?

I have contacted the library - I am awaiting for their reply now.

Much appreciated for all your advice and help.

Happy Bank Holiday.
Sam

Hi,
According to this document here... http://cheshiredirectories.manuscriptey ... ection.pdf
Penn Street appears to be off Earle Street. I am guessing that all that remains in Widnes is Earle Road with Bowers Business Park, Earle Road [WA8 0TA] possibly built on the site of Penn and Earle Streets.

An enquiry to Widnes Library would probably find an old map of the area. Penn Street was there when the 1901 census was taken and the one following.

[chris leigh]

Hi Sam
St. Maries Baptism's record lists three daughters to Bernardi and Mariae Keegan.
Sara Anna, Born 22 April 1877 Baptised 23 May 1877
Maria, Born 11 Nov 1878 Baptised 24 Nov 1878
and Helena, Born 20 Mar 1881 Baptised 24 Mar 1881.
and yes Penn Street is long, long gone.
cheers chris

[chris leigh]

Omitted from previous post, mother's maiden name was Connor. can also supply godparents if needed.
cheers chris

[sam_allen0]

Hi Chris,

Many thanks for the information. That is brilliant information. I have got Sarah Ann and Mary Birth cerificate but the dates don't match and mother maiden name is Connor on both.

Could you tell me who the godparents were and how can I get hold of these birth certificate and Baptised certificate or information. As would like to have these information if possible.

The birth cerficate dates I have for sarah ann is 29th may 1877 (18 margaret street) and mary is 27th feb 1879 (9 pleasant street). These could be wrong?

Please do point me to the right direction.

Happy Christmas.

Sam

[sam_allen0]

Omitted from previous message both maiden name is connor (mary).

Sam

[Chris]

Hi Sam,
I received a private message from you but I do not now what it means? I tried to reply but it said you had disabled your messages so that is why I am doing it on this post.
Regards
Chris

[MaryA]

I wonder if Sam merely typed in the name "Chris" when trying to send a private message, rather than using the button to send a pm to chris leigh who had responded to his enquiry in this post?

[Chris]

I wonder if Sam merely typed in the name "Chris" when trying to send a private message, rather than using the button to send a pm to chris leigh who had responded to his enquiry in this post?

Thanks Mary, that is possible as it was something about baptisms
.

[sam_allen0]

Hi all,

So sorry about the earlier message as the settings was came up different on my mobile phone I have been able to change it again on the computer.

Chris, do you know who the Godparents are for St. Maries Baptism's record lists three daughters to Bernardi and Mariae Keegan.
Sara Anna, Born 22 April 1877 Baptised 23 May 1877
Maria, Born 11 Nov 1878 Baptised 24 Nov 1878
and Helena, Born 20 Mar 1881 Baptised 24 Mar 1881.

Many thanks for the information. That is brilliant information. I have got Sarah Ann and Mary Birth cerificate but the dates don't match and mother maiden name is Connor on both.

Could you tell me who the godparents were and how can I get hold of these birth certificate and Baptised certificate or information. As would like to have these information if possible.

The birth cerficate dates I have for sarah ann is 29th may 1877 (18 margaret street) and mary is 27th feb 1879 (9 pleasant street). These could be wrong?

Please do point me to the right direction.

Happy Christmas.

Sam

[MaryA]

I think there is probably a simple reason for the incorrect dates on the birth certificates that you have - births need to be registered within 42 days of the birth. If for some reason the parents didn't do this - perhaps due to lack of money, then so that they didn't get into trouble they would have given a date within the legitimate timespan.

The baptisms could have been done shortly after the births.

[sam_allen0]

Hi.

Many thanks for the information.
Is st Marie's church still open? As would like to get hold off the baptism records.

Kind regards

Happy Christmas Eve

Sam

[MaryA]

Wikipaedia says it is now closed and on the Building at Risk Register http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Marie's_Church,_Widnes

As Hilary says, you will have to enquire at Widnes Library to find the records.