Gerrard-Winwick. Smith-Ire, Liverpool, Ormskirk

[Ian isle of wight]

Hi everyone, just joined, and am hoping for information regarding Gerrard's at Winwick. I have got back to Phillip (Phipps) Gerrard 1812-1876, married to Ann Baxter. They had Sarah, Ellen, John, Peter, Ann, William B ( my GGGrandfather ). I moved down south, and i'm guessing a visit to the church is my only option for pre 1837.
My other branch has been a nightmare. My Mum (living) was adopted and found out her birth details about 15 years ago. Her mother died 3 weeks after giving birth to her, and its "father unknown". Her Grandad......John Smith . Ive had fun you might say. I'm now stuck on George Smith b.1830 County Down Ireland, married to Elizabeth ( Eliza ) Radican b. Kings County ( Offaly ) Ireland. They started in Liverpool ( son Thomas baptized Holy Cross 1851 ), went to Ormskirk (1861 census) and had James, Jane, John, William, George, Joseph and Charles. Is this a visit to Ireland? Any help appreciated if they are in any members tree.
If anyone needs a look up on the Isle of Wight i'll gladly help. May take a couple of weeks until i need to pass somewhere. Great site by the way. Thanks Ian.

[Tina]

Hi Ian, a very warm welcome to the best forum around.
It's almost my clocking off time but UK the crew will be in shortly.
Good luck with your searches.
Just a suggestion, you may like to split your post, listing your Mum's family separate
from the Gerrard's??
1861 census Barton upon Moss station, Barton upon Irwell
Philip Gerrard 49 bn Winwick, Station Master
Ann 47 bn Nantwich
Sarah 21, Ellen 19 both dom serv bn Lpool
William Bonker? Gerrard 14 office boy, John 9, Peter 7, Ann 4 all bn W Dby.
Also Ellen Gerrard unm 58 dom serv bn Winwick (Philip's sister??)
1871 Astley near Chorley
RG10/3911/52/16
Errors sent to Anx for Phillip's name and Ann's year of birth.

[Ian isle of wight]

Thanks Tina, off to work but will split later. Dont need any info on these people for things i can find on internet, it's more for the next generation back as i cant access documents that lead on to the next person. Have a good sleep

[Tina]

1851 as Gerardy
bn Muwick
Prescot St W Dby
HO107/2192/787/62

[Tina]

Hi Ian
Love your reply, are you sure you're not Irish...

[Hilary]

This is Phipps' baptism

Baptisms: 13 Oct 1811 St Oswald, Winwick, Lancashire, England
Phipps Gerrard - son of Peter Gerrard & Sarah
Born: 26 Aug
Abode: Winwick
This is on www.lan-opc.org.uk

Marriage: 9 Dec 1838 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Phipps Gerrard - Full Age Gilder Bachelor of Pomona St
Ann Baxter - Full Age Spinster of Erskine St West Derby
Groom's Father: Peter Gerrard, Servant
Bride's Father: William Baxter, Servant
Witness: Jno. Kemp; Mary Lewis, (X)
Married by Banns by: Thos Halton Curate

This appears to be the baptism of their first child Sarah

Baptisms: 22 Sep 1839 St Peters, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Sarah Gerrard - Child of Phipps Gerrard & Ann
Abode: Duckenfield St
Occupation: Carver & Gilder
Baptised by: Thos. Halton Curate

The 1841 census shows them in Liverpool with a Sarah Gerrard aged 60 who could be Phipps' mother

Baptisms: 29 Apr 1845 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Phipps Edward Gerrard - Child of Phipps Gerrard & Anne
Abode: Blucher St Edge Hill
Occupation: Gilder
Baptised by: N. B. Blundell Off. Min.

[Hilary]

Probably his parents

Marriage: 18 May 1802 St Oswald, Winwick, Lancashire, England
Peter Gerrard - of this Parish
Sarah Baker - (X), of this Parish
Witness: John Baker; Samuel Hill
Banns Read: 2 May 1802, 2nd: 9 May 1802, 3rd: 16 May 1802
Married by Banns by: John Prince Curate

You'll find the other children of the couple on the site I gave you.

[dickiesam]

Hello and welcome Ian,
For the crew here...
This is George and Elizabeth's marriage:
SMITH, George and RADICAN, Elizabeth
Registration district: Chorlton, Lancashire
Year/qtr of registration: 1850 / Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume no: 20; Page no: 138.
From Lancs BMD: Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registar Attended

This would be the family in 1851...
REDICAN, Patrick - Head - Married - 47 - 1804 - Pensioner - Ireland.
REDICAN, Ann - Wife - 43 - 1808 - Ireland.
SMITH, George - Lodger - Married - 20 - 1831 - Hawker - Ireland.
SMITH, Elizabeth - Dtr - Married - 18 - 1833 - Power Loom Weaver - Ireland.
REDICAN, William - Son - U/m - 15 - 1836 - Excavator Lab - Gibraltar.
Address: 3 Matthew Street, Hulme, Manchester.
HO107 - Piece: 2221 - Folio: 885 - Page: 27.

Because William was born in Gibraltar I believe his father was an ex-Army man in receipt of a pension from the Chelsea Pensioners Hospital. It is likely his service papers are online. There's a Patrick Reddican, bn abt 1803 in Aughrim near Elphin, Co Roscommon, enlisted in 1824 in the 47th of Foot at Longford. There are 17 images available for this man. The 47th (Lancashire) Regiment of Foot was an infantry regiment, and the Lancashire connection could be why Patrick ended up in Manchester.

[dickiesam]

http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie has a marriage for a Patrick Reddican and an Ann ? in 1829 in Sligo. Need to purchase credits to see the record.

Same site has a baptism for a George Smith, 1831, in Co Down. What was his father's name and occupation from the marriage cert?

[Ian isle of wight]

Just got back from work, wow, you lot are quick, and bloody good at this detective stuff
Tina, thanks for the info, looks like i have got some Irish in me somewhere. ( have to start drinking Guinness i guess ). Manchester by birth and upbringing. I suppose if we go far enough back we would all come from a few little tribes, very hairy and a loin cloth by sabre.
Hilary, some info i did not have. Thank you very much Not clicked on the link yet but should give me more opportunities to stay on here and neglect my wife
Dickiesam, same, new info and a link for more stuff, brilliant. Would like to visit Ireland though and probably will. Ancestors from North and South, should be fun.

So to you all :thumbup: and i hope to help someone out if i can.

[Ian isle of wight]

http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie has a marriage for a Patrick Reddican and an Ann ? in 1829 in Sligo. Need to purchase credits to see the record.

Same site has a baptism for a George Smith, 1831, in Co Down. What was his father's name and occupation from the marriage cert?

Had only got as far as knowing George's name, so not done marriage cert yet, but will do in next week. Cheers Dickiesam.