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Am seeking information on a James Lawrence Hamilton Byrnes, with an address at 21 Jeaunette Street, Liverpool, at the time that he married Agnes Hannah Hodgins in Dublin in 1889.

Hi and welcome to the forum.

That is not a street name I am familiar with and have also checked with the Liverpool History Projects site that has street name listings for 1901 and it's not there.

Could I ask you to please post a small part of the marriage certificate so that we can see the street name and also compare the lettering to some of the other writing on the cert. and see if we can recognise it.

Also so that we have more information, such as years of birth, father's names and occupations etc.

Do you know where they lived later in life? back in England or did they remain in Ireland?

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I have found a baptism for what appears to be one of his children but perhaps by an earlier marriage

8 June 1875 in St Mary Magdalene, Paddington, Westminster
James Lawrence John Palmer Byrnes
Parents James Lawrence Hamilton Byrnes and Mary Ellen Byrnes
Address 3 Senior Street
Father's Occupation - Porter

Also born 30 January, 1880 and baptised 9 May, 1880 St Mary Magdalene, Paddington
Louis Bertram Byrnes
Parents James Lawrence Hamilton and Mary Ellen Byrnes
Address 2c Barnsdale Road Elgin Road
Father's Occupation - Clerk

In the 1891 census living at
41 Kinglake Street is
James Byrnes b. abt 1853 at Streatham, Surrey Commercial Traveller
Agnes H Byrnes b. abt 1864 Ireland
Emily M H Byrnes b. abt 1890 Liverpool

RG12 Piece 2989, Folio 100, Page 33
West Derby

Could be your man!

The 1881 census has them at 55 Barnsdale Road, St Mary Paddington, London
James Byrnes Head M 28 (or perhaps 26 difficult to read) Commercial Clerk Surrey, Balham
Mary E Wife M 27 Somerset, Bridgewater
James L.J.P. Son 6 Scholar Paddington, London
Louis B son 1 " "
RG11; Piece: 9; Folio: 55; Page: 7

Maybe he remarried Mary, but no sign of the children living with him in 1891 in Liverpool if it is the same man!

Birthplace makes me think it is the same man Erika, but wonder what's happened to the other children and Mary Ellen. Nor 1891.

Thank you for your fast response. The address which I gave came from his marriage certificate on http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/reels/d-511-3-3-017.pdf. This was his second marriage. I have a marriage reference for a James Lawrence H. Byrnes, who married in Kensington, London, in 1876. Could be the same person.

James & Agnes lived for a time in England, & then returned to Ireland. There were 2 children born in England, Empsie & Nora. The third child, Dorothy, was born in Dublin.

Regards,
John

So the information that I requested is:

All Saints Church, Parish of Grange Gorman, City of Dublin - 4th March, 1889
James Lawrence Hamilton Byrnes Full Age, Widower, Traffic Inspector
21 Jeaunette Street, Liverpool E
Father James Byrnes - occupation Decorator
Agnes Hannah Hodgins Full Age, Spinster 40 Avondale Road
Father Joseph Hodgins occupation Foreman
Both signed their name
Witnesses Joseph Hodgins and Mary Hodgins

The marriage took place by Licence - might be interesting if you were to obtain a copy of the Licence to see why it was necessary.

jhall wrote:There were 2 children born in England, Empsie & Nora. The third child, Dorothy, was born in Dublin.

Your "Empsie" is probably Emily that Erika found

Emily Mabel Byrne Q3 1889 West Derby 8b 487

Perhaps she was the reason for the Licence.

So if you know about the children and their time in England and when they returned to Dublin, what information are you looking for?

Have found 2 baptisms at Edge Hill St Dunstan
Clement Joseph Lawrence Byrnes born 25 Feb 1894 bap 28 Mar 1894 living at 6 Queensland Street, Edge Hill

Nora Katheline Hannah Byrnes born 3 May 1892 bap 5 Jun 1892 living at 45 Aspen Grove

Also baptism for
Emily Mary Agnes born 24 Dec 1889 bap 2 Feb 1890 living at 21 Janet Street
also at St Dunstan, Edge Hill

erika wrote:Also baptism for
Emily Mary Agnes born 24 Dec 1889 bap 2 Feb 1890 living at 21 Janet Street
also at St Dunstan, Edge Hill

Just a thought...
Could Janet Street be Jeaunette Street and the registrar got it wrong, possibly due to an accent problem? Janet Street ran from Gladstone Street to Wavertree Road.

Up to last week I knew absolutely nothing about James Byrnes's family in England. I wish to thank all contributors to this discussion forum.

Regards,
John

jhall wrote:Up to last week I knew absolutely nothing about James Byrnes's family in England. I wish to thank all contributors to this discussion forum.

Regards,
John

You are welcome!

dickiesam wrote: Could Janet Street be Jeaunette Street

I think it's too much coincidence for it not to be, don't you?

MaryA wrote:

dickiesam wrote: Could Janet Street be Jeaunette Street

I think it's too much coincidence for it not to be, don't you?

That's exactly my thinking! Strange accent to foreign ears?