Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Hi,

Is there a list of Clergymen in 18th Century Liverpool showing the names of the churches where they officiated?

I have a number of wedding certificates but the name of the church where the ceremony was peformed is not indicated.

I would like the information so that I can search for some baptismal records.

The curates/vicars names are
Thomas Hornby 1859
W.R. Duncan 1894
J.B. Philpott 1845

Thanks in anticipation

Icky

Hi

Try using Lancs BMD marriages:-

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/


Blue

Many thanks for that information Blu70. I have found one marriage that I was looking for but the four other weddings, for which I have certificates, are not listed on this website!

What are the marriages? We might be able to identify them.

Blue

Have you checked them on http://lancashirebmd.org.uk/ alternatively as Blue requests let us have the details and we could try, perhaps Ancestry to see if the Registers have been posted in their databases.

Thomas Hornby & W. R. Duncan were at St Peters. I've not come across J. B. Philpott though. He might have been at St Peters as well but earlier than the other two. I do transcribing for LANOPC & those two are very familiar names

Don't forget that a marriage could be performed by a minister who was not the vicar/rector or curate. He would usually sign as 'officiating minister' in that case.
D

I think it will be easier to do this by looking at the marriages rather than the clergymen. For example someone like Thomas Hornby has been identified by Linda as being at St. Peter's but I have a marriage record from St. Mary's Walton on the Hill from 1849 that has Thomas Hornby there so the movement of clergy complicates that line of research.

Do these certificates just say something like "the parish church in the parish of Liverpool"?

Blue

Thank you all, for advice and support so far.

As mentioned above, the certificates state 'Marriage solemnised at the Parish Church in the Parish of Liverpool/Walton on the Hill etc'.

Briefly, the details are as follows;

4th Dec 1859, David Williams & Charlotte Alexander, Kirkdale,Vicar Thomas Hornby

7th April 1863 Edward Williams & Frances James, Kirkdale,Vicar Thomas Hornby

25th May 1885 Hugh Williams & Susan Johnson, Athol Street, Curate W.R. Duncan

18th March 1894 James McLoughlin & Mary Isabella Williams, Scotland Rd., Curate W.R. Duncan

Any further help would be gratefully appreciated.

Icky wrote:'Marriage solemnised at the Parish Church in the Parish of Liverpool/Walton on the Hill etc'.

This church will be St Mary's Walton which was the Parish Church. It is on the junction of County Road and Queens Drive flyover.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Wa ... Mary.shtml

Marriage: 4 Dec 1859 St Mary, Walton on the Hill, Lancashire, England
David Williams - full age Boiler maker Bachelor of Kirkdale
Charlotte Alexander - full age Spinster of Kirkdale
Groom's Father: David Williams, Labourer
Bride's Father: John Alexander, Bootmaker
Witness: Charles Rosney; Elizabeth Alexander
Married by banns by: Thomas Hornby Vicar
Register: Marriages 1859 – 1863, Page 32, Entry 63
Source: LDS Film 1647986

Marriage: 7 Apr 1863 St Mary, Walton on the Hill, Lancashire, England
Edward Williams - full age Shipwright Bachelor of Kirkdale
Frances James - full age Spinster of Kirkdale
Groom's Father: Edward Williams, deceased, Labourer
Bride's Father: Richard James, Slater & Plasterer
Witness: Ellen Crane; Thomas James
Married by banns by: Thomas Hornby Vicar
Notes: [Bride signed her first name as] Francess
Register: Marriages 1859 – 1863, Page 228, Entry 456
Source: LDS Film 1647986

WILLIAMS Hugh JOHNSON Susan Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool

WILLIAMS Mary I MCLOUGHLIN James Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool

The first two are from LANOPC the second two are off LANCS BMD. Ancestry dont have those dates online for St Peters

Thomas Hornby is listed in the 1861 census as the Vicar of (St Mary) Walton on the Hill.

Although he was probably the vicar of St Mary's Walton on the Hill you have to remember that the actual parish of Walton on the Hill Walton on the Hill was an enormous parish.

John Marius Wilson, Imperial Gazetteer of England and Wales (1870-72) states (this is from Genuki)
The parish contains also Everton, Kirkdale, Bootle-cum-Linacre, Fazakerley, Kirkby, Simonswood, and Formby townships; includes considerable part of Liverpool borough; and is ecclesiastically divided into 36 sections,

Any of the vicars or curates within the parish would therefore be called on to do duty in any of the churches within the whole parish. This would account for the movement aroubnd the area.

Thanks very much to all those who responded to my request. I have now been able to go back two further generations on my family tree and continue ask myself even more questions.

Such as, why a section of my ancestors, who lived in Brunswick Street, off The Strand in 1851, would travel to Walton-on-the-Hill to be married, when there were so many more convenient churches to attend? It must have been like a day out in the countryside.

You say the family lived in Brunswick Street, but was that just the bridegroom's side? What about the bride? Where did she live? The marriage was usually in her parish church.
D

One bride lived in Mould St, Scotland Road and the other lived in Titchfield St, Vauxhall, at the time of their marriages.

Icky wrote:One bride lived in Mould St, Scotland Road and the other lived in Titchfield St, Vauxhall, at the time of their marriages.

That is probably why they chose St Mary's, not too far away and a bit of prestige to go with it.