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I need help in trying to trace the parents of Ann Bickerstaff who married Samuel Hyslop in St Peters Church Liverpool on 18th April 1850.
Her fathers name was Peter and he was a watchmaker.

The 1841 census HO107 563 7/13 records an Ann Bickerstaff living in Rose Place aged ten, with Peter (born 1781) was this her father? He would have been fifty at the time of her birth.

The 1851 census HO107 2190 246 records a Peter Bickerstaff (Watchmaker born 1805) with his wife Ann and daughter Jane. Was this her father?

Are the two Peter Bickerstaffs related?

All advice is greatfully accepted.

To assist anybody wishing to help, the full details are

1841 Rose Place, St Martin, Liverpool
(Bickerstaff has been transcribed Berkerstaff)
All born in County
Peter Bickerstaff 60 Watch Maker Journeyman
Samuel 25 Watchmaker
Peter 20 "
Catherine 20 Dressmaker
James 13
Ann 10
HO107; Piece: 563; Book: 7; Civil Parish: Liverpool; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 14; Folio: 13; Page: 18

and the 1851 entry with the name transcribed as Bickerslaff
7 Back Terrace Mill Road, Everton
All born Liverpool, Lancashire
Peter Bickerstaff Head M 46 Watchmaker
Ann Wife M 44
Jane daur 8 Scholar
HO107; Piece: 2190; Folio: 246; Page: 14

Hi Icky

Have you had a look through Lancs OPC site,

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
Wonder if Peter could be her grandfather

Marriage: 26 Oct 1801 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Peter Bickerstaff - Watch maker of Liverpool
Elizabeth Davies - (X), Spinster of Liverpool
Witness: Edward Coventry; Thos. Howard
Married by Banns by: T. Kidd, Curate
Register: Marriages 1799 - 1801, Page 148, Entry 318
Source: LDS Film 93839

Baptisms: 16 Nov 1827 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Ann Jane Bickersteth - Child of John Bickersteth & Jane
Born: 12 Jul 1812
Abode: Cross Hall St
Occupation: Sailmaker
Baptised by: J. Pulford Curate
Register: Baptisms 1827 - 1828, Page 42, Entry 335
Source: LDS Film 1656419

Baptisms: 14 Feb 1831 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Nanny Bickerstaff - Child of James Bickerstaff & Mary
Abode: ?
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Jno. Robinson Asst Curate
Register: Baptisms 1830 - 1831, Page 385, Entry 3080
Source: LDS Film 93878

Simone x

just realised the 1827 baptism was 15 at the time

Please give the full details from the marriage certificate, including addresses, ages and witnesses.

There is a marriage of Samuel (from the 1841 census) to Sarah Connor in St Brides, 13 September, 1843. Both of full age, he a bachelor, she a widow. He's a Watchmaker from Prince Edwin Street, father Peter also a Watchmaker. She's from Moore Place, father Joshua Taylor a School Master. Both signed their names. Witnesses were Edmund Cowley?Coventry? and Helen Clarke?
Sorry difficult to tell from the signatures, but bear them in mind in case similar names pop up in connection with the family anywhere.

Just in case it bears any connection, since there aren't many Peter Bickerstaffs about Liverpool, here's another which might be of interest.

St Philip, Liverpool
Peter Bickerstaff of this Parish, Widower to Margaret Hams of this parish Spinster were married by Banns on 5 March, 1829. Peter signed his name, Margaret made her mark.
Witnesses were Thomas Maddock and James Phillips. Sadly there is no occupation given and the witnesses were also on other marriages so presumably members of the church rather than personal friends.

There is also a marriage for Catherine of the 1841 census, so worth checking to see where she was in 1851 and who with.
St George, Everton 26 April, 1857
James Franklin 62 Widower Traveller Tarlton Street Father William Franklin In the Army to Catherine Bickerstaff 38 Spinster Tarlton Street Father Peter Bickerstaff Watchmaker.
Both signed their names and witnesses were Peter Bickerstaff and Julia Pugh

Now what I'd be interested to know is if other people think the two signatures of Peter Bickerstaff look the same.

Lots of Bickerstaff watchmakers do a name search here:-

http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/wml/ ... abase.aspx


Blue

MaryA wrote:Please give the full details from the marriage certificate, including addresses, ages and witnesses.

The date of Ann Bickerstaffs' marriage to Samuel Hyslop 18th April 1850 possibly at St Peters church, Church Street. He was a batchelor and she a spinster. Samuels occupation was a Mariner and both gave their address as Duckinfield Street. According to a street directory (I do not know which one) this is were Anns father was living in 1850

Samuels father was also called Samuel and he was a labourer. They were married by licence and both parties signed the certificate.

The witnesses were John McLennan and Margaret McWilliam

The name of the vicar who conducted the service was J.G. Headlam

There is a record of an Ann Bickerstaff being baptised at St Peters church on 24th October 1831 but I do have details of the parents names etc.

Hiya seen as though Anns sister Catherine was living with her in 1851 same age as the Catherine on the 1841 kids of Peter..i would say that Peter was her father..he also had a son Peter too young to be Anns father..

Peters wife must have been younger than him to have Ann in 1830, wonder if ther eis a burial for Peters wife Elizabeth just to see what her age was...