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Hi

Am a little stumped and would welcome some fresh eyes.

I have the above from 1844 (her marriage to William Antrobus at St Nicholas, Liverpool - and give her abode as Renshaw Street) onwards well identified. Marriage indicates father as James Scott a marble mason. Census from 1851 onwards give her birth as liverpool ~ 1822. No Scott name as witness.

I can't find her or her father in 1841, nor her baptism or her fathers marriage. I have no indication of any siblings for her not clue as to mother.

I have scoured various usual suspects and can't find any viable Henerietta's. There is a David Scott living at Renshaw Street in 1841 (no Henerietta) but I can't find any connection and that one appears through later censuses to be a draper and I think though his father (using Ancestry Liverpool stuff) was a John he's noted as a gentleman.

Anybody finding Henerietta or father in 1841 would have my most grateful
thanks !

Hi,
Can you confirm that this is the Henrietta you are looking for in 1851. You omitted to say where she actually was in 1851....
ANTROBUS, William - Head - Md - 28 - 1823 - Engineer - Liverpool.
ANTROBUS, Henrietta - Wife - 29 - 1822 - Liverpool.
ANTROBUS, John - Son - 3 - 1848 - Crewe, Cheshire.
ANTROBUS, William James - Son - 2 - 1849 - Crewe, Cheshire.
Address: 24 Church Street, Monks Coppenhall, Crewe.
Piece: 2169 - Folio: 92 - Page:46

Not clutching at straws but having tried every other 'search' I looked for all Henriettas bn 1822 +/- 5 years, in Lancashire but living in Liverpool. Didn't find a surname that could be badly transcribed from Scot(t), but there is one entry where the page is badly faded and almost illegible....

1841:
???, Henrietta (-) - Lancashire
???, Ch??? - 20 - 1821.
???, Mary - 15 - 1826.
CLOUGH, Hannah - (-).
Address: Parliament Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool
Piece: 567 - Book/Folio: 10A/15 - Page:25

You might be able to enhance the page? I looked for an age +/- 5 years because the 1841 census required ages of adults to be rounded down to the nearest 5 or 0. So a 24 year old would be recorded as 20 and a 28 year old as 25.

Hi D.S
So you're wearing the green for St Patrick's Day

Devon
You have them all in census.
For the peeps Henrietta is 39 in 1861 bn Lpool
living in Ancoats, all kiddies born in Crewe.

dickiesam wrote:Not clutching at straws but having tried every other 'search' I looked for all Henriettas bn 1822 +/- 5 years, in Lancashire but living in Liverpool. Didn't find a surname that could be badly transcribed from Scot(t), but there is one entry where the page is badly faded and almost illegible....

1841:
???, Henrietta (-) - Lancashire
???, Ch??? - 20 - 1821.
???, Mary - 15 - 1826.
CLOUGH, Hannah - (-).
Address: Parliament Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool
Piece: 567 - Book/Folio: 10A/15 - Page:25

You might be able to enhance the page? I looked for an age +/- 5 years because the 1841 census required ages of adults to be rounded down to the nearest 5 or 0. So a 24 year old would be recorded as 20 and a 28 year old as 25.

Hi Brian

I have no idea how anyone could read that census page but Ancestry ahs this transcription

Richd Harlow 35
Eleanor Harlow 40
Harlow 14
Mary Harlow 18
Eleanor Harlow 11
Ell Harlow 13
Margt Harlow 9
Targson Harlow 7
Plina Harlow 5
Hill Harlow 4
Lancaster Harlow 3
Henriette Harlow 1 6 Mo
Chas Hannah 20
Mary Hannah 15
Hannah Clough 20


Simone x

looking at the witnesses on the marriage..

Helen Chappell, she married William Graham in 1850, she was born Bolton 1829. He was born 1831 Scotland, a Police Officer..
In 1851 HO107; Piece: 2188; Folio: 326; Page: 14 living in Park Road, Toxteth Park...

Joseph Mann, married Mary Rigby in 1838, , at st Nicholas, witnesses Gilbert Arnold, Ann Dutton,
he was a foundry man , they are living at Albert Place, West Derby in 1841...
HO107; Piece: 520; Book: 5 District: 28; Folio: 49; Page: 17; Line: 18;

no clues there.

can't see any other marriages in Liverpool records on Ancestry with James Scott, Mason , as father:(

Good morning Simone,
I agree about the Ancestry transcription. How on earth they managed to see what has been transcribed... is beyond me. I tried a number of tricks with my photo-editing prog but none produced anything I would accept as even near the correct words.

I think James Scott was possibly a journeyman mason, perhaps born in Scotland, and moved from job to job. Henrietta could have been born anywhere but Liverpool was where she first became 'aware' of where she was living. The family could be back in Scotland for the 1841.

yes I was thinking Scotland possible..

1841 census
Edinburgh St Cuthberts; ED: 73; Page: 1; Line: 640; Year: 1841.
address - Cowfeederrow
James Scott 45
Margaret Scott 45
James Scott 15
Margaret Scott 12
Henrietta Scott 20


Simone x

oh no can't be her, because she is still with her siblings in 1851

ED: 22A; Page: 1; Line: 2; Roll: CSSCT1851_182
James Scott 24
Henrietta Scott 29 sister
Margt Scott 20
James Scott 6
John Paterson 36

thanks for all thoughts even if no solution. As ever heartening that I haven't missed the blindly obvious.

Yes - thats the right 1851 entry with William Antrobus. I too had considered the Scottish angle and searched on basis that her liverpool birth was presumed (by her) but perhaps wrong. I did find hat Henrietta but her father was a baker I recall and as you see she does stay up there for 1851. There are no other Heneriettas England or Scotland that cut the mustard. So thinking either lost of 1841 census and or not baptised.

My remaining tenous connections would be that I did find a David Scott baptised 1806 at St Peters who was a mason - as was his father John. Its possible that David is James brother. I note that John and James feature as Henrietta children (William Antrobus father was James but no Johns that side).

The (rather big fat ) fly in that ointment is that I can find the John Scott children (he married a Christian Callister in 1803) all baptised at St Peters for David and 5 other children but no James. Though birth years are 1804, 1806, 1809, 1810, 1813, 1815, 1818). So an early gaps 1803 or 1805 (latest) could be filled by a James to be old enough to marry and have Henrietta. Tenous albeit !!

Sigh !

One curiosity is that as fact her marriage says James Scott was a marble mason. I imagine that was quite a skill with such hard (and yet easily fractured) material.

DJ

oh...and i did find that above John and Christian Scott at Dale Street (in 1841) he noted as a mason as was son Robert. Both John and Christian were 60 and can't find either in 1851. She is not of the county of Lancashire he is noted (on Ancestry as from Ireland) but looking at actual census I see a different scrawl for him that other Irish on page and think the squiggle is an S not an I so Scottish but no clue as to where and lots of John Scots north of border.

I think we are both might be looking at the same family but different branches. I am looking g at David Scott was or in ANANDALE Scotland and livedin BERRY ST I Liverpool and at on poi t lived Bootle. My records need sorting because computer crashed a d I lost most of what I had. If you would like me to I will get it down last I can and let you have it.
Y David Scott was a joiner/journeyman. I thi k he was married twice. If you think the info is of any use please email me or use messenger if easie
Regards
Barbara Duke

Hi Barbara, As this post dates back to approximately 2012 I'm not sure if you will get a reply which is a shame, but you never know the original poster might just be watching out to see if there is ever a response and might reply, fingers crossed.