Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

hi everyone

been a while since I've been on here, now trying to help my inlaws trace their tree
this is what they have so far
Emily Elizabeth JOLLY born cir 1884 married Joseph Cutler 1904 St Athanasius church Kirkdale?
its her side that I'm doing now her father was
Thomas Henry JOLLY born cir 1863 in 1901 lived @ 48 Miranda Rd Kirkdale (age 38 widowed?) had 3 kids (poss died Nov 1943 age 82 years)
Emily Elizabeth age 17 in 1901 married Joseph Cutler (As above)
Hannah Martha age 16 in 1901 married a Harry Young WINTER Sept 1907
Thomas Own age 13 in 1901 married Annie M BACKSHALL Jun 1910, in 1911 living at litherland liverpool (RG14PN22339 RG78PN1319 RD455 SD2 ED9 SN139) can't make out the address

would love to know who Thomas JOLLY (1863) was married to? and when

I think I've found him in 1881 @ 51 North Hill St with his parents
Thomas (age58) & Theresa (age 35)

thanks for reading

Hi Robbo,
The FreeBMD record shows Thomas Jolly married either HUDDLESTON, Hannah Jane or MOONEY, Mary Jane.
Marriage: JOLLY, Thomas Henry
Registration District: West Derby, Lancashire.
Year/qtr of Registration: 1885 / Jan-Feb-Mar
Volume No: 8B; Page No: 722.

The 1891 census will give the forename of his spouse so you will then know which girl he wed. Often saves the cost of buying a birth cert to find the mother's maiden name.

JOLLY, Thomas H - Head - 29 - Cycle Maker - Everton, Lancashire.
JOLLY, Hannah - Wife - 27 - Liverpool.
JOLLY, Emily - Daughter - 7 - Scholar - Kirkdale, Lancashire.
JOLLY, Hannah M - Daughter - 5 - Scholar - Kirkdale, Lancashire.
JOLLY, Thomas O - Son - 2 - Kirkdale, Lancashire.
HOUSTON, Jane C - Servant - Single - 20 - General Servant - Aigburth, Lancashire.
Address: 24 Hawthorne Road, Bootle Cum Linacre, Bootle, Lancashire.
RG12 / Piece:2969 / Folio:8 / Page:9

DS

G'Day Robbo
1891 census
24 Hawthorne Rd Bootle
Thomas Jolly 29 cycle maker bn Everton
Hannah 27 bn Lpool
Emily 7, Hannah 5, Thomas O 3 all bn Kirkdale.
Jane Houston 20 domestic servant

Tina

D.S
Pipped me by a minute...

Tina

Death Free BMD
sadly Hannah Jolly aged 35yrs W Dby rego june qtr 1900.

Death Bootle for Thomas O Jolly bn 1888c
apr/june qtr 1941 aged 53yrs
birth sep qtr 1887 Thomas Owen Jolly W Dby

1938 Kellys
Thomas Owen engineer, 78 Cambridge St Bootle

Tina

Tina wrote:D.S
Pipped me by a minute...

Tina

Sorry about that our Tina! Watcha doin' up so late? Extended shift and overtime?

DS

Robbo
Lancs BMD have a marriage at W Dby Rego or Registrar attended (which could be R.C) to Hannah J Huddleston
1885.
You found Thomas in 1881 in North Hill St, well, there is a Hannah Huddleston 17 dressmaker at number 34, living with her auntie Elizabeth Hughes wid born Whitehaven, ale house manager..
Do you reckon Thomas dropped in for a swift half
Tina

D.S
It's 4.30 in the arvo here mate, just about time for Happy Hour..

Tina

just to make you jealous 22c today...beaut

1871 is interesting, Hannah is 7yrs old as niece.
Her Uncle is OWEN Hughes.
I'll post the link as the writing is very poor.
They are in Scotland Div in Lpool.
This will be a tough one as Hannah is not with her parents and between census.
Cheers
Tina

RG10/3758/6/5

Hi Robbo,
Fairly sure this is Hannah's birth. It's the only one in Lancs across a span of 6 years.

Births Jun 1864: HUDDLESTON, Hannah - Liverpool - 8b - 91.
You might find her baptism in the Ancestry Parish Register collection to find her parents.

And Tina... Didn't I mix up WA time with EA time! I've an old school mate who used to live in Sydney but has now moved up into the Blue Mountains at Blackheath. And you had 22 C, aw I am jealous!

DS

Back again...
With Hannah born between censuses, and the possibility of having to buy a birth cert I took a flyer. There's only one other Liverpool registered Huddleston birth in the 1860s... Births Mar 1862: HUDDLESTON, Mary - Liverpool - 8b - 81.

And this is her in 1871:
HUDDLESTON, Isabella - Head - Widow - 47 - Ulverston, Lancashire.
HUDDLESTON, James - Son - 18 - Cooper - Ulverston, Lancashire.
HUDDLESTON, Henry - Son - 14 - Ulverston, Lancashire.
HUDDLESTON, Mary - Dtr - 9 - Liverpool, Lancashire.
Address: Epsom Street, Liverpool, Lancashire
RG10 / Piece:3762 / Folio:16 / Page:30

And this is the above family in 1861:
HUDDLESTON, Thomas - Head - 41 - Seaman Ms - Lancaster.

HUDDLESTON, Isabella - Wife - 36 - Lancaster.
HUDDLESTON, Mary J - Dtr - U/m - 12 - Lancaster.
HUDDLESTON, James - Son - 8 - Lancaster.
HUDDLESTON, William - Son - 4 - Lancaster.
Address: 8 Epsom Street, Liverpool
RG09 / Piece:2655 / Folio:17 / Page:28

Hannah's marriage cert or a baptism of one of the children will hopefully confirm her father as Thomas.
This could be her parents' marriage...
Marriages Dec 1847:
HUDDLESTON, Thomas - Ulverstone - 25 - 255
TYSON, Isabella - Ulverston - 25 - 255.

Dickiesam

a big thank you ( ever in Liverpool i owe you a drink or 2, I'm in the good books with my in laws )

when I told them what you had found, after a few phones calls to the rest of the family, they remember a bit more but its gets confused from here

it seems Thomas H JOLLY remarried to a Emily/Frances JOLLY who had a son Henry Joseph born 1903 (Sept W/Derby 1903 8B 434)
can't find their marrage on FreeBMD but found their deaths

Thomas DEC 1943 Prescott 8B 803 age 82 (I've noted Tina's post as well might have to get both death certs to confirm)
Emily Sept 1952 L/pool 10D 472 age 83

again a big thank you

robbo

Hi Robbo,
The reason you couldn't find that 2nd marriage was because your man appears to got on one of his bicycles and went all the way to Norfolk!

Marriage: JOLLY, Thomas Henry and BRIGHTMORE, Agnes Ann.
Registration District: Kings Lynn, Norfolk.
Year/qtr of Registration: 1901 / Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume No: 4B; Page No: 673

And poor Hannah had died only 12 months previous.

How do I know it's the right marriage....? Well there was a census 10 years after that marriage and Thomas the cycle maker and Agnes Ann and their 7 year old son Henry Joseph are living at 94 Bedford Road, Bootle. Agnes was born Kings Lynn abt 1869.

Don't know who the Emily was whose death you found but this would appear to be Agnes:
Name: JOLLY, Agnes A
Registration District: Prescot; County: Lancashire.
Year/qtr of Registration: 1949 / Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 81.
Volume No: 10F; Page No: 324.

DS

PS: An afterthought... Thomas probably took a tandem to Norfolk!

dickiesam wrote:Hi Robbo,
The reason you couldn't find that 2nd marriage was because your man appears to got on one of his bicycles and went all the way to Norfolk!

PS: An afterthought... Thomas probably took a tandem to Norfolk!

that a long way to get married ( and on a bike )

thanks again

Hi Robbo great to read you are well in with the "Outlaws"
D.S....
You'll be telling us next, Thomas broke the land speed record!

Tina

some great finds Brian

Added later: He may not have needed the push bike
1901 97 Bedford Rd Bootle
Agnes Ann Brightmore visitor 33 bn Kings Lynn
staying with Frances A Clough bn Kings Lynn

1938 Kellys Directory
1 Inman Rd Lpool 21 Henry J Jolly no occupation listed.

From Tina:

Added later: He may not have needed the push bike
1901 97 Bedford Rd Bootle
Agnes Ann Brightmore visitor 33 bn Kings Lynn
staying with Frances A Clough bn Kings Lynn

Oh! She popped into his shop to get a puncture fixed? Or bought a bike and asked him to deliver it?

Seriously though, great find Tina. Explains the connection.

DS

Thanks D.S

I reckon she went into his shop, batted her eyelids and asked "would you look at my handlebars please"....

Tina

Tina wrote:Thanks D.S

I reckon she went into his shop, batted her eyelids and asked "would you look at my handlebars please"....

Tina

Oh the hussy! And himself only just widowed....

DS

D.S
Men have always been the Weaker **********

Where are we up to???

Tina

D.S
Men have always been the Weaker **********
Where are we up to???
Tina

Well after today's great win by Ireland, I think we need Robbo to get us pointed in the right direction.

DS