GEORGE RANKIN OF LYDIATE AND HIS COOPERAGE, early 1900s

[Nige150]

Hello. Anybody who has information/photos/details of George Rankin the cooper, and also his brother John of Maghull;, as well as any offspring, please can they contact me. Geirge was my great-grandfather.
Thanks
Nigel Davison

[dickiesam]

Hello. Anybody who has information/photos/details of George Rankin the cooper, and also his brother John of Maghull;, as well as any offspring, please can they contact me. Geirge was my great-grandfather.
Thanks
Nigel Davison

Hi,
Without any dates or years as a guide I have taken a wildcard search and found this census entry. If your g.father's name, omitted from your post, is in the household it would confirm it as the correct family.

1901:
RANKIN, George - Head - Married - 55 - Cooper - Ireland.
RANKIN, Isabella - Wife - 51 - Liverpool, Lancashire.
RANKIN, John - Son - u/m - 25 - Cooper - Manchester, Lancashire.
RANKIN, Mgt - Dtr - u/m - 22 - Manchester.
RANKIN, Isabella - Dtr - u/m - 18 - Liverpool.
RANKIN, Martha - Dtr - 14 - Liverpool.
RANKIN, Edith - Dtr - 12 - Liverpool.
RANKIN, Marie - Dtr - 12 - Liverpool.
RANKIN, May - Dtr - 10 - Liverpool.
RANKIN, Stanley - Son - 8 - Liverpool.
RANKIN, Albert - Son - 7 - Liverpool.
Address: Fir Grove, Altcar Lane, Lydiate, Lancashire.
RG number: RG13 / Piece:3530 / Folio:50 / Page:21

In the absence of any other suitable match, I think this could be the parents' marriage...
Marriages Dec qtr 1868 - W. Derby - 8b - 711.
Rankin, George and Watters, Isabella.
You would need either a birth cert of one of their children or find a baptism to confirm this marriage.

Dickiesam

[marchbird]

Hello Nigel

I have just seen your post relating to George and John Rankin, coopers. My husband's uncle was the youngest son of John Rankin. George (born abt 1846) and John (abt. 1844) were born in Co. Antrim, Ireland and were the sons of Robert Rankin and Ellen. Their brothers were James (b.abt 1855), William Rainey Goddard (abt 1856) and Robert (abt 1860) and sisters were Margaret (abt 1852 in Ireland) and Mary (abt 1858). The family came to Liverpool sometime during the 1850s and the younger children were all born in Liverpool.

Dickie Sam has the correct family on the 1901 census. George and Isabella (nee Watters) were married at St. Mary's, Walton on the Hill, Liverpool on 25 October 1867. George died in 1910 (Dec Qtr. Ormskirk, Vol. 8b, p.501) aged 65 and Isabella died in 1903 (Dec Qtr. Ormskirk, Vol.8b, p.527) aged 54.

John married Mary Jane Lucas in 1863 at Our Lady and St. Nicholas and St. Anne's Church, Liverpool. Mary Jane came from Co. Cavan, Ireland. They had nine children; Elizabeth, Robert, Margaret, John Lucas, William, Georgina, James, George and Hugh Lucas (uncle). Mary Jane died in 1918 aged 75 and John in 1932 aged 89.

Hope this is of interest to you.

Marchbird

[Nige150]

Hello. Anybody who has information/photos/details of George Rankin the cooper, and also his brother John of Maghull;, as well as any offspring, please can they contact me. Geirge was my great-grandfather.
Thanks
Nigel Davison

Hi,
Without any dates or years as a guide I have taken a wildcard search and found this census entry. If your g.father's name, omitted from your post, is in the household it would confirm it as the correct family.

1901:
RANKIN, George - Head - Married - 55 - Cooper - Ireland.
RANKIN, Isabella - Wife - 51 - Liverpool, Lancashire.
RANKIN, John - Son - u/m - 25 - Cooper - Manchester, Lancashire.
RANKIN, Mgt - Dtr - u/m - 22 - Manchester.
RANKIN, Isabella - Dtr - u/m - 18 - Liverpool.
RANKIN, Martha - Dtr - 14 - Liverpool.
RANKIN, Edith - Dtr - 12 - Liverpool.
RANKIN, Marie - Dtr - 12 - Liverpool.
RANKIN, May - Dtr - 10 - Liverpool.
RANKIN, Stanley - Son - 8 - Liverpool.
RANKIN, Albert - Son - 7 - Liverpool.
Address: Fir Grove, Altcar Lane, Lydiate, Lancashire.
RG number: RG13 / Piece:3530 / Folio:50 / Page:21

In the absence of any other suitable match, I think this could be the parents' marriage...
Marriages Dec qtr 1868 - W. Derby - 8b - 711.
Rankin, George and Watters, Isabella.
You would need either a birth cert of one of their children or find a baptism to confirm this marriage.

Dickiesam

Many thanks
This is indeed my family.
Best wishes and thanks again
Nigel Davison

[chrisbrown]

Hello Nigel
My name is Chris Brown and as far as we can deduce John Lucas Rankin is my great grandfather, he worked at the cooperage during the war and died in college rd, Crosby, Liverpool many of the family were in the house and my Grandmother had married into the Brown family, her son, [my father], lived there with his sister, I am in contact with another John Rankin who still lives in Crosby as I do.
He has researched this side of the family, I believe he might be my fathers cousin, but it's all a bit confusing with that many Johns, he would be happy to share his info with you.
After John Lucas Rankins death, they moved around, ending up back in Crosby, Rossett rd.
The entire family ended up moving to Devon and Cornwall, my mother and I returned to Crosby after divorce.
There is a sister Jackie Brown, Austin Brown and my dad Kevin Brown, all still alive and direct children of my Grandmother Rhona? Lucas Rankin..or babs as she was known.

My father originally thought his Grandfather was the John of George and John cooperage, but it seems maybe he is the later John Lucas...maybe you could help us check this is correct.
I've got my dad digging out any pictures of his Grandfather, he also remembers him very well.
Thanks
Chris

[MaryA]

Hi Chris and welcome to the forum.

Unfortunately this post was raised by nigel back in 2011, and he didn't remain a member of the forum, however the other poster who appears to have been related Marchbird is still a member and I hope receives notification that the message has been raised again and comes along to respond.

If there is any help we can assist you with your research in the meantime, don't hesitate to ask.

[chrisbrown]

Thankyou Mary...I suspected that and after a bit of delving discovered he has a relative Mark..Im presuming brother, in Australia who I have managed to get an email for...waiting for a response.
Thanks again.

[marchbird]

Hi Chris

Have just returned from holiday and picked up your post. Yes John Lucas was the son of John. He was an older brother of Hugh Lucas Rankin my husband's uncle. (See my post above) John Lucas was married at St Andrew's Church, Maghull on 10 August 1899 to Theodora Annie Lucas ( have a feeling she might have been a relative). Her father was Samuel Lucas, a doctor. Their first child Reginald Adams Rankin was born 18 September 1901 and baptised on 23 November at St. Andrew's, Maghull. Sadly he died in 1903. Their next son Ramond Lucas Rankin was born 8 January 1905 and baptised 1 April again at St. Andrew's. This seems to have been their family church. Rupert Lucas Rankin was born in 1907 followed by Roger Beresford Lucas Rankin on 28 February 1910 and Rhona Theodora Lucas Rankin on 6 March 1913. Rhona married Albert Brown in 1935. In 1911 the family was living at 19 Orrell Lane, Walton and in 1939 at College Road, Crosby.

Theodora Annie Lucas died in Crosby in 1941 and John Lucas Rankin 11 March 1946. (See Wills).

Our Rankins lived in Maghull and then Blundellsands and after Uncle Lu died in 1960 they moved down to Surrey.

Hope this fills in a few gaps for you. Let me know if I can be any further help.

Marchbird

[chrisbrown]

Thanks for your reply..Im on holiday myself, but have recieved quite a lot of info from Nigel Davison...he has also sent me a cipy of his book ..The Rankins of Killean..it is very helpfull and given us a lot of information that we can use to discover the actual graves and houses of the Rankins up here in Liverpool.
My grandmas house in College rd is now a Red Cross office...we still live a few hundred yards away.
Typing on mobile here with one finger, I'll look at everything properly when I get home.
Thanks again.

[chrisbrown]

Ramond it seems died in an accident at Bibbys chemical works, he was offered a management position, but decide to work from the shop floor up.

'1930 Bibby’s managed it again in Liverpool, when an explosion in the top floor of a silo building killed 11 and injured 32. Rice flour, sunflower seeds and soya bean meal were used in the processes. Self heating of the sunflower seedcake seems to have been the cause of an initial fire, but the heat spread between silos, and initiated an explosion, when hanging dust fell, while an adjacent silo was being emptied. Among the recommendations was ‘the provision of recording thermometers on the silo'

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Johns Lucas Rankins wife was a blind concert pianist apparently

To her dying day my Grandmother swore her father John Lucas read the riot act to the Police on strike in Liverpool from the back of a barrel wagon, we never got to prove it, but there was a TV documentary, and a witness at the time was talking about the guy who read it and said he couldn't remember the guys name. My Grandmother jumped out of her seat in frustration.

She married again to a man called Drinkwater who was an officer on the Queen Mary, she was a fun loving woman and I really liked her, always laughing at herself and her 'useless' husband.

Albert Brown was the son of a Spanish immigrant who was adopted by a vicar in London and took his surname, my father is quarter Spanish and had quite dark looks as a young man.

I'm still trying to find John Lucas Rankins grave..do you have any ideas?

All a bit personal, but nice to keep the thread going :]

[Blue70]

A couple of newspaper articles about the explosions of 1911 and 1930 disregard the figures as the final ones were different.

Irish Independent 25 Nov 1911






Ulster Herald 10 May 1930





Blue

[MaryA]

I'm so glad the forum has brought you two together to exchange research.

I'm still trying to find John Lucas Rankins grave..do you have any ideas?

What religion was he? If RC then it's possible he was buried in Ford, but as they both died in Crosby I would suggest enquiring at St Luke's, alternatively Sefton Cemetery.

[chrisbrown]

Thankyou for your replies, strangely my father doesnt remember his grandfathers funeral and no one can remember where he was buried...Il try the ones you mentioned and Anfield cemetery.
There is a grave marked John Lucas only in Maghull...it is the same style as John Rankins , but the other names on it dont match up.
He died without a will and no money was passed on to my Grandmother.
My parents moved to Polzeath in cornwall the year I was born in 63, the entire family followed us one by one, so contact with Liverpool was lost until I returned.

[Hilary]

Try Thornton Garden of Rest, there is also a crematorium which opened in 1963

Email
thornton.gardenofrest.sefton.gov.uk

You could also try the local Crosby paper to see if there was a death notice put in the paper. They are on film at Crosby library.

[Blue70]

No luck finding JL Rankin's burial here is the probate that Marchbird mentioned:-





Blue

[marchbird]

You mention that there is a grave for a John Lucas Rankin at Maghull. Is that at St. Andrew's Churchyard? This seems to be the family church for a lot of the Rankins (baptisms, marriages and burials) so I would think this could be the burial place of John Lucas Rankin. What are the other names mentioned? The Rankins were a large family - he was one of nine children so perhaps he was buried with one of his siblings. Do you have a photo of the grave?

I would think that there would have been an obituary in either the Crosby Herald or Liverpool Echo so that could shed some light on where he was buried.

Marchbird

[chrisbrown]

Still working on John Lucas Rankins grave...found a grave for Mary Rankin and Hugh Lucas in St Andrews Maghull, but getting confused as to who they actually are, it has them as parents of a Hugh Allen.
Anyway so much thanks for all your help and investigations.

Hugh Allen grave

https://i.imgur.com/1se7G2e.jpg

The John Lucas grave that confuses me.

https://i.imgur.com/QeySydG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/HpVyEnr.jpg

[marchbird]

The first grave is of Hugh Allen Rankin who was my husband's cousin. He was killed in 1940 in an accident at Bury St. Edmonds near to his R.A.F. camp. He was buried at St. Andrew's, Maghull where he had been baptised and where his parents, Hugh Lucas Rankin and Mary McClay, had been married in 1913. Uncle Lu died in 1960 and was also buried there. Mary moved down to Surrey where she died in 1974 and is buried at Grayshott, Surrey.

I can't find a connection to the other grave of John W.F. Lucas so don't think he is related. I think the Lucas family connected to the Rankins originated from Co. Cavan, Ireland. John Rankin senior married Mary Jane Lucas (b.abt 1844 in Co. Cavan) and the father of Theodora Lucas who married John Lucas Rankin also came from Co. Cavan so I wonder if they were brother and sister or cousins. I know it's all very confusing with so many people having the Lucas name. I'll keep on searching and let you know if I come up with anything else.

Marchbird

[chrisbrown]

Thanks again for the replies, havent been involved too much, my mothers had to have a bypass and Im the only child...so you can imagine, shes fighting fit now though.
Having a meeting with St Andrews church on Thursday to see if they can dig up anything from their records.
Also visiting my aunts and uncles in Kingsbridge to see if I can kickstart them into looking for any paperwork.
They havent quite got my enthusiasm..will report back.

[MaryA]

Good luck finding some documentation and I'm pleased your mother is well on the way to recovery.