marriage Herbert R Lord to Josephine Lee

Post by **northmeols** » 02 Aug 2011 01:52

LORD Herbert R to LEE Josephine
Ormskirk Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston
can anyone help me with a possible RC church for preston this family was all catholic. trying to find his age and father. I believe he served in the army too

Post by **MaryA** » 02 Aug 2011 10:00

Hi Susan,

I'm assuming that you got this entry from the LancsBMD site. "Preston" denotes where the registers are held, which would mean the Lancashire Record Office in Bow Street, Preston, but I would suspect that the reference to the Ormskirk Rgister Office would be the clue to the church.

Genuki site for Ormskirk seems to suggest that St Anne's would be the right church.

Post by **Hilary** » 02 Aug 2011 17:11

As you are aware Southport was originally in the Ormskirk Registration district. For some strange reason that I didn't understand although all the Church of England marriage register books for the Southport area were held in Southport (North Sefton) those for RC churches and other Non Conformist churches were held in Ormskirk.

It appears that when everything in Ormskirk Register Office was moved to Preston all their books went to whether the churches were in what is now Sefton North Reg district or not. I tried this out with a marriage I knew about. The marriage was at St Joseph RC Birkdale but lancashirebmd.org.uk tells me that it was an Ormskirk Registrar attended marriage and that the books are at Preston.

I think therefore that you will have to widen your search to cover all the RC churches within the old Ormskirk Registration District.

Do you know where the couple where living prior to their marriage?

I've just tried out another couple of marriages one was at the RC in Formby the other at Betheseda Chapel Birkdale both show on lancs bmd as Ormskirk Registrar attended and registers at Preston and I have others!

Post by **Hilary** » 02 Aug 2011 17:33

I think Josephine may have been from Southport? Is that correct? If so perhaps St Marie or St Joseph would be the best bet.

The reason being that in the 1901 census there are a family of Lees living in Linaker Street Southport with a daughter Carmela M aged 6, Josephine W aged 5 and Winifred J aged 3, father John mother Selina.

If you think it's St Maries I'll have a look next time I'm at Crosby Library providing their film goes up late enough.

Post by **Hilary** » 02 Aug 2011 17:35

The free 1911 census index only shows one Herbert with a second name beginning with R. He's a Herbert Roland Lord born 1891 living in the Oldham district. Could that be your man?

Post by **Hilary** » 02 Aug 2011 17:49

The only Herbert R Lord I can find is born in Edinburgh and living their for the 1901 census. Do you think that could be him?

Post by **northmeols** » 02 Aug 2011 18:32

yes josephines parents are John and Selina(Forster) I have no info for Carmela other than birth. Winifred J married John McMahon and had 4 children. their daughter winifred married a Brewster (may still be living) it is Josephine I am working on. and yes they lived in Southport. now her sister married in Liverpool, but I'm wondering if St Maries would be the place for Josephine. that is where gran, her cousin, went to church. I was thinking the Roland guy was a good candidate. if he was in WWI came home then married Jo? he could be listed in the military records

Post by **northmeols** » 02 Aug 2011 19:24

In 1912 a chapel-of-ease, served from St Marie’s, was built in Marshside, known as the Church of St Patrick. It became a separate parish in 1934
this is the chapel gran attended up until 1944

Post by **Hilary** » 02 Aug 2011 19:56

Shall I have a look in St Marie's records when I'm at Crosby later this week for you? St Marie's would be nearer Linaker Street than St Patrick at Marshside.

Josephine's birth registration is given as Josephine Wright Lee. Maybe I'll find her baptism as well.

Post by **northmeols** » 02 Aug 2011 21:34

if you could that would be great. its a fragmented family some in liverpool others in maghull and some in southport. any with the last name of Lee would be of interest to me. I,ve been trying to put this family back together for years. I have a vague recollection of going to see aunty Jo at a house on high park rd close to moss lane, she was a seamstress i think. I don't remember her husband at all I'm also thinking they had 1 son. the Irish in this side stopped them from talking to each other when ever there was afalling out..so concequently I have few memories of them.

Post by **northmeols** » 02 Aug 2011 21:36

gran and her sisters lived off of Preston new rd the rest of them lived over by linaker st and bispam rd areas

Post by **Hilary** » 02 Aug 2011 22:28

It'll probably be Friday and I'll record any Lees for you.

By the way looking at Selina on earlier censuses I think she was Foster and some censuses record her as Helena. I think her mother was a Jane Foster who married a Thomas Wright in St Peter's Liverpool in 1870. On the census Jane gives her place of birth as Scarisbrick. This is where the fascinating but comes in as I have Fosters in Scarisbrick in my tree!! So I shall have to dig a bit to see if they are related to Selina and her mother Jane. That is if I've got it right.

Not sure if St Pats have been filmed but will see what I can do. I'll get back on Friday.

Post by **Hilary** » 02 Aug 2011 22:35

Selina Lee died March Q 1903 aged 35 years registered Ormskirk volume 8b page 541.

I think Carmela may have died too. Her birth registration is given as Mary Carmela and there is a death registered for a Mary C Lee aged 18 in March Q 1913 in Ormskirk Reg vol 8b page 1189.

Post by **Hilary** » 02 Aug 2011 23:03

I've pm'd you with some interesting information!!!

Post by **northmeols** » 03 Aug 2011 02:25

William John and Ellen moved from Liverpool to Southport and had 9 children.
John 1871 married Selena Foster
Harriet 1874
James 1877 married Catherine Burgess 1910
William 1878 married Sarah Jane Bigland 1904
Ellen 1880 died 1882
Maria 1882
Joseph Francis 1884 married Mary Helena Kilfoil? 1920
Elizabeth 1886
Annie 1889 died 1891

all the children were born in southport, they were catholic, William was grans dad.I'm trying to gather the cousins together and their children.

Post by **Hilary** » 03 Aug 2011 10:34

I'll look out for any Lees in the register. Hope the info in the pm helped.

Post by **northmeols** » 03 Aug 2011 13:23

it was great....I just cannot fathom why these siblings living in the same town were so distant with each other, to the point of 2nd cousins not knowing each other

Post by **Hilary** » 03 Aug 2011 15:08

Well as they say where I used to live, "there's now't so queer as folk!"

Post by **Hilary** » 03 Aug 2011 15:49

I've just been talking to the Sefton Local History Unit and after all that they don't seem to have the film I wanted BUT it may not yet be unpacked!! The two units have just amalgamated. I'll make some more enquiries and see what I can find out.

I was really getting into your Lees!

Post by **Hilary** » 09 Aug 2011 17:16

I went to Crosby Library today to do some research and discovered they did after all have St Maries!! The only problem was I didn't have the Lee information with me. Anyhow I trawled the baptisms and found the following

Children of William John Lee and Ellen Cullen

John bn 8 March 1872 ch 12 May 1872
Harriet bn 1 Feb 1874 ch 22 March 1874
James bn 17 April 1876 ch 14 June 1876
William 16 July 1878 ch 29 July 1878
Ellen 20 Aug 1880 ch 12 Sept 1880
Maria bn 28 Sept 1882 ch 29 October 1882
Joseph FRanci bn 12 July 1884 ch 24 July 1884
Elizabeth 23 Oct 1886 ch 7 Nov 1886
Annie bn 3 July 1889 ch 20 July 1889