Help required - Walmsley & Thompson

Post by **lorraine.evans** » 25 Jul 2011 12:58

Hello, I am a new member to this site and as I have ancestors from this area I thought this might be the best place to find help. I am tracing John & Ellen Evans and luckily after browsing through a few posts have already found someone else looking for information on this couple too so am just waiting for the author of the posts to get in touch (although the posts were started in 2009).

I am also looking for Walmsley.
My Grandmother Ann Walmsley was born in 1912, Liverpool.
Her parents were George Walmsley & Ellen (Thompson)
George was born c1877 and Ellen c1879 both Liverpool.
I have found Ellen on the 1911 census with William(1910), George(1907), Ellen(1904) and her father James Thompson b c1857 Clifton,Gloucester. George wasn't living with her that year but on the previous census George was listed as a Gas Stoker on a Steamship and in 1941 (on Ann's marriage cert) he was a Marine Engineer, so I'm guessing George was at sea ?
Other than that I don't have anything else on them.
Any help to find more info on the Walmsley's or Thompson's would be appreciated.
Thanks, Lorraine

Post by **MaryA** » 25 Jul 2011 20:48

Hi and welcome to the forum. If you are able to post a link to the Evans messages we may know whether the original poster is a regular member who pops up on the forum.

Hopefully they will respond to an email anyway.

Post by **MaryA** » 25 Jul 2011 20:54

If you don't have the marriage of George and Ellen

16 April, 1899 St Anthony's
Georgeum Walmsley of 51 Epsom Street, father Ricardi Walmsley and
Ellena Thompson of 38 Ascot Street, father Jacobi Thompson
Witnesses Jacobi and Catherine Thompson both of 38 Ascot Street

Post by **lorraine.evans** » 25 Jul 2011 22:29

Wow Thank you Mary, I didn't have the marriage info so this is great, hopefully this'll give me a good headstart.
The member who was asking about Evans was Evans11 but couldn't see anything posted after 2009. I have sent a pm and hope he'll be in touch soon.
Thanks you again very much for your help Mary.

Post by **Tina** » 26 Jul 2011 09:06

Welcome aboard & happy hunting Lorraine

Please let us know if you need any census info.
All the best
Tina

Post by **MaryA** » 26 Jul 2011 13:42

Now then I had been thinking that James and Catherine were man and wife but it seems not.

1901 - all born Liverpool
38 Ascot Street, St Martin, Liverpool
James Thompson Head M 54 General Labourer
Ellen Wife M 52
Catherine daur S 22 Canvas Sack Mender in Sack Warehouse
Andrew Doyle Boarder S 48 General Labourer
Michael Scott Boarder S 62 Ship painter
RG13; Piece: 3408; Folio: 112; Page: 55.

Post by **MaryA** » 26 Jul 2011 14:00

The birthplace and birthdate you give for Thomas is worrying me since they don't match the censuses I have found. A few years out is one thing but this is practically a whole decade and the place is wrong too, yet they were living at the correct address in 1901.

I think this is the family in 1891 - again all born Liverpool
1 Commercial Road (Sea View), Kirkdale, Liverpool
James Thompson Head M 46 Dock Labourer
Ellen Wife M 42
John J son 15 Shop Boy
Ellen daur 13
Catherine daur 10 scholar
RG12; Piece: 2965; Folio 16; Page 25

Post by **MaryA** » 26 Jul 2011 14:18

My gut feeling says that this is the baptism of John J

St Mary's
Joannes Jacobus Thompson - Carruthers Street
23rd August, 1877 baptised 26th August, 1877
parents Jacobi Thompson and Ellen nee Lydiate
Godparents Patritius Scott and Maria Lennon

and possibly Ellen at St Brigid
14 January, 1879 baptised 19 January 1879
Ellina Thompson - parents Jacobi and Ellinae Thompson nee Lidiarth
Godparents Thomas Faughey and Catherina Scott

and at St Sylvester
18 November, 1880 baptised 14 November, 1880
Catharina Thompson - parents Jacobi and Helenae Thompson nee Leiderth
Godparents Gulielmus Bindon Stuert and Elizabeth Keenan

Post by **MaryA** » 26 Jul 2011 14:51

OK I'm taking a punt on this entry in the 1881 census
8 Athelstan Terrace, Burnet Street, St Martin, Liverpool
James Thompson Head M 38 Dock Labourer Lancashire Liverpool
Ellen Wife M 36 Ireland (place unclear, perhaps somebody could take a look and help out)
George son 15 Works at Rope Works Liverpool Lancashire
James son 5 " "
Ellen daur 3 " "
Catherine daur 6 months " "
RG11; Piece: 3600; Folio: 59; Page: 45

and a possible marriage
7 January 1875 St Brigid by Patricius ODonovan
Jacobum Thompson of 14 Court Gilderts Gardens parents Colini and Jane Thompson and
Ellinam White (Vidnam) (does this mean Widow in latin?) of 14 Court Gilderts Gardens parent Johannis Lydierthe
Witnesses Gulielmi White and Ellinae White of 9 Rainford Gardens, Whitechapel

Post by **MaryA** » 26 Jul 2011 15:12

and there is also a baptism at Our Lady of Reconciliation de la Salette
14 March 1867 baptism 17 March 1867
Georgius Patritius White Parents Gulielmi and Helenae White (nee Lydiate)
Godparents Petrius White and Anna Lydiate

Post by **MaryA** » 26 Jul 2011 15:17

Oh I just love these RC records on Ancestry.

24 September, 1865 Our Lady of Reconcoliation de la Salette
Marriage between Gulielmum White of 10 Eldon Place, father Georgii White
and Helenam Lidierth of 10 Eldon Place, father Joannis Lidierth
Witnesses Laurentii Healey and Margarita Healey both of 10 Eldon Place.

Post by **lorraine.evans** » 26 Jul 2011 16:15

Thank you Tina, I don't have access to the census' at the moment but can use my local library when I get a bit of time so if you can find anything it will be appreciated

And thanks for all your help Mary, have only just glanced through it (so many new names

but will read it properly now that my daughter has stopped moaning that she is bored (its only the second day of the holidays). The kettles on and I can now absorb this new information.
Is it just me or do other people get this excited when they find a new name to add to their tree

Any idea's where these names are from? I have so many John's, George's and William's that I'm quite thrown now some unusual names have come up.

Post by **MaryA** » 26 Jul 2011 21:23

Sorry to disappoint you but they are from the RC registers so really just normal English names latinicised

Georgius = George
Laurentii = Laurence
Jacobus = James
Joannes = John
Gulielmus = William

You will find that the spellings will vary depending on whether the priest could actually spell them or not.

Post by **lorraine.evans** » 26 Jul 2011 21:44

Thank you Mary, not disappointed

just not familiar with RC reg's. You have been a great help, thank you