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Time for another shot at finding a 'missing' person... A need for many eyes and surname variations.....

An alleged g.g.father [don't ask, it's a long story!] James McAnaspie has a surname with several common variations with McAnaspri, McAnasprie, McAnaspia among them. He died 06/03/1890. He is in the 1881 census as husband to Mary McAnaspri, but there is no marriage. She was still married to her legal spouse, and father of at least 3 of her 4 children, Robert Emery, who was in the Army in India when the 1881 census was taken and when her 4th child [my maternal g.father] was born.

James McAnaspia appears in the 1871 as the spouse of Alice Grant [RG10 - 3777 - 165 - 12]. They had married 17/08/1862 and she died in 1875. There were no surviving children from the marriage. According to both censuses he was born in Liverpool about 1843. His trade was a slater and plasterer. His father, James, was also a slater and plasterer. I have so far failed to find James [jnr] in the 1851 and 1861, and haven't found his father either.

In the 1871 I have found a Thomas McAnaspie, whose trade was a plasterer, born abt 1838 in Dublin [RG10 - 3781 - 56 - 50]. He's in the 1861 with a 'wife' and child [RG09 - 2691 - 120 - 22] and there's a marriage for a Thomas in Liverpool 1862 where the spouse matches the wife's forename in 1871. Marriages Sep 1862 - Liverpool - 8b - 259; Fitzpatrick, Mary and McAnaspie, Thomas. I believe this marriage is confirmed by the presence in the 1871 household of an Ann Fitzpatrick, sister-in-law.

This Thomas is in the 1881 at RG11 - 3708 - 61 - 14. I haven't found a connection between James and Thomas apart from their name and trade. While Thomas says he is from Ireland, in 1871 a Margaret McAnaspie is in his household as his mother and shown as born in Liverpool. MCANASPIE, Margaret - Mother - 60 - 1811 - Lancashire.

There's a marriage for an Ann MCANASPIE... Liverpool - 1875 - Jul-Aug-Sep - Vol: 8B - Page 239. Going by the 1881 census this was to a Charles WELLS. But, apart from her being born in Liverpool abt 1855, I haven't found out who she is or if she is related to either James or Thomas. The nearest match for a birth is Sep qtr 1853 - McANASPREY, Ann - Liverpool - 8b - 205.

This is one of those few occasions when I wish I was subbed to Anc* to check for BMDs in the recently released collection! I am considering getting the 1862 marriage cert for Thomas Mc and Mary Fitz to find out his father's name. Could be one small step...
As always, all contributions gratefully received.

DS

Hi DS

A couple of deaths for James McAnaspie

1.. b. 1809 d. Mar qtr 1880 age 71 West Derby 8b 402

2.. b. 1862 d. Dec qtr 1886 West Derby 8b 418

Have emailed you a couple of things too.

Cheers
Erika

Hi Brian

I take it you have the marriage to Alice in 1862?

just going through Liverpool records looking for clues so bear with me

There is a marriage in 1890 of Annie Maria McAnaspie to Charles George Vaughan... a Margaret McAnaspie has witnessed that one. Dad is Thomas a Builder.

There is a baptism at St Peter for Thomas James McAnaspie on 1/9/1879 to James and Mary, born 16 June.. abode Everton.. father occ, Plasterer.

A baptism for Maria McAnaspie at St Peter..10 July 1865, born 2 June 1865, abode Edge Hill, parents Thomas and Mary.. Thomas a Plasterer

A burial for John McAnaspy 18 Oct 1863, age 41, at Walton Park Cem.. abode Workhouse.

Anna McAnaspie is godmother to Anatasia Burns, age 16 in 1878.

Simone

criminal registers 1878
Ann McAnaspie...endeavouring to conceal the birth of her child by a secret disposition of it's dead body Not Guilty..

1871 RG10; Piece: 3792; Folio: 9; Page: 12

The 'Home' lodging houses at Soho Street
James McNaspie Age 63
Birth Year:c1808 Lodger
born: Ireland
occupation - Plasterer

Simone x

1861 census
RG9; Piece: 2691; Folio: 79; Page: 51
100 Finch Street
James McAnnespie 62 b Ireland, lodger, Plasterer
Margaret McAnnespie 52 b Durham

Simone x

Hi Erika and Simone,
Much thanks for a lot of new stuff. Yes, Simone I have the James McA and Alice marriage cert. The Thomas James McA being baptised in 1879 is my g.father. By 1898 when he married he was Thomas James Emery and his father was Robert Emery. And that was repeated on two more marriage certs later in life. He called his 2nd son Robert.

There's a strong possibility you have unearthed the missing father of James McA with that find in 1861 and 1871. The wife in 1861, Margaret, fits with the mother of Thomas McA I had found in 1881 except that her age is way off.

I'm off to print your posts and digest the info. Its more stuff about the McA family in one evening than I had in 5 years! Thanks again.

DS

Hi Brian

I think it is likely to be the parents, although James is same age from one census to the other. However although lodging on his own in 1871 he does state condition as married and as you have found Margaret is with Thomas

so likely that James and Thomas were brothers, sons of James and Margaret

Simone x

think these must be Robert's children

Do you know what happened to Robert?

There is a Robert Emery b c 1843 in the workhouse in 1901, a cab driver
says he is a widow
Simone x

Hi Simone,
Yes, Harriet is one of 2 children I can say with some certainty that Robert Emery is the father. Harriet was born 1870, a Robert was born in 1867. A daughter Ellen was born in June 1877 and while her birth cert says Robert is the father I have some doubts. Robert had already enlisted in the Royal Artillery in late 1876 and spent at least a year in Ireland before going to India. I think he must have been desperate to 'get away' because he had actually crossed the Mersey to New Brighton and enlisted at the Fort in the RA instead of a 'local' regiment. He also 'lost' six years off his age when he crossed the water!

You mentioned 'clipping' images. You need a screen capture utility that allows you to save or print a specific area on your screen. I use HardCopy and there is a free version available. http://hardcopy.en.softonic.com/
There are other freebies around such as http://www.gadwin.com/printscreen/
There's a good article about free capture programs here: http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-fr ... tility.htm

DS

simone wrote:Do you know what happened to Robert?

There is a Robert Emery b c 1843 in the workhouse in 1901, a cab driver
says he is a widow
Simone x

Hi Simone,
That's the Robert Emery Thomas wanted to be his father! He died in the Infirmary there in 1904. His 'wandering' wife Mary had died in in the March qtr of 1901 prior to the census. They were not, as far as I can discover, cohabiting after Robert's discharge from Army service in 1884.

In 1891 Mary is living with daughter Harriet and her husband Alex Richardson, still using the name McAnaspie and claiming to be a widow. I'd say she knew Robert was alive because Harriet names him as her father on her 1888 marriage cert and back in civvy life he is a carter. It was Harriet who informed about Robert's death in 1904.

DS

Aww poor Robert I'm feeling a bit sad for him here Son Robert also names him on the marraige cert too in 1889 so perhaps they had regular contact with him bet he was gobsmacked when he returned from serving to find Mary had someone else

thanks for the links on clipping.. will have a look

Simone x

Photobucket has it's own Edit button and you can clip them after uploading.

Beneath the image there are blue icons, second along says "Edit", click this.
When the image has loaded click the "Crop" icon above.
Drag a square round the part you want to use, then click the button above for "Crop Selected Area".
From the buttons beneath the image choose either "Save a copy" or "Replace original"
and there you are done!

Ta Mary got there in the end

Simone x

Hi Mary,
Thanks for the tip re Photobucket. Hadn't noticed those buttons before. I've put a note in my Useful Tips folder.

DS