Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Hi guys i have a bit of a dilemma, this ladt is the first first daughter of my grandads sister. Her mother emigrated with her second husband to USA and she was left behind at the age of 2yrs. The 1921 census is so way off is there anyway I can find out where or who she grew up with? or is there school records etc or am I as I think clutching at straws! She wouldnt be in the poll books as a minor.

Thanks
Ali

Hi and welcome to the forum.

First of all have you checked for Divorce papers on the National Archives site? My experience of searching for them gave details of custody of the children to the father. There may be other children listed and also who they would be living with.

It's doubtful that you would be able to access school records since there is possibly a 100 year closure on them.

We have tried to put together a few suggestions for tracing a living relative here http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=8154 and your best way forward might be to find a descendant of Alice who may know some of her history.

The birth for Alice Bello was registered Q1 1917 Liverpool 8b 123, Mother's maiden name Midghall. It would appear that she was an only child.

She appears to have married in 1942 and had two children but these people may still be living so I won't post the details on the public forum.

Marriage St Nicks 1916 Lancs BMD
Mary V Midghall to Custudio Bello.
Custedic and Custodic in Anc##

Marriage Lancs BMD Lpool St Peters 1918
Mary V Bello to Paquinto Navarra

Tina

Sounds like two very exotic gentlemen.

Here's is the marriage number 2, Mary V is listed as widowed.
No probs listing this, no copyright etc. My subs in Anc allow this.
Tina

Baptism for Mary Victoria Midghall
d/o Alexander sawyer and Alice Ann of Moon St.
Lpool St Peters
11 July 1897
birth 28 June 1897

Tina

great finds tina
a widow at 22

Simone x

Custodio Bello died on board the SS Swanmore on 25 April 1917. He is remembered on the Tower Hill memorial

This is from the www.cwgc.org website

Name: BELLO, CUSTODIO
Initials: C
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Fireman
Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine
Unit Text: S.S. "Swanmore" (Liverpool)
Age: 26
Date of Death: 25/04/1917
Additional information: Son of the late Sivero Bello; husband of Mary Victoria Bello (nee Midghall), of 50, Moon St., Liverpool. Born in the Phillipine Islands.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

The ship was torpedoed 230 miles WMW of Fastnet ireland 11 lifes lost. I found this on the wrecks website.

Hi Ali,
I think I may have tracked Alice's family up to a recent stage [1990] and have sent you a PM with the details. Using the Electoral Rolls there is a very good chance you can find addresses. Details of the ER search sites in the PM.

Dickiesam

Also found this on http://www.1914-1918.invisionzone.com/f ... pic=135736

Just realised this is in Volume 2 of Silent Warriors:
On April 22nd 1917 and at the entrance to the North Channel, U 93 intercepted the full-rigged, iron hulled, Norwegian ship VESTELV (1880 - Henschiens Rederi A/S, Tvedestrand), transporting pitch pine from Mobile, Alabama to Liverpool. This time a scuttling party was sent on board armed with explosive charges, adding 1,729-tons more to the tally!
Pursuing a course down the west coast of Ireland, two days passed before a further opportunity presented itself. By April 25th, having reached her designated operational zone some 200-miles, southwest of Fastnet Rock, a large fast steamer suddenly appeared, heading west. Von Spiegel may have misjudged the steamer’s speed because the torpedo missed, so he surfaced and attacked the ship using the deck gun. Strangely, more shells appeared to be striking the vessel than U 93 was firing – the reason being, U 43 (Hellmuth Jürst) was also blasting away. The steamer finally outpaced them and the two submarines were forced to break off the pursuit. In fact the 6,373-ton SWANMORE, which was armed for defence, had not escaped, because U 50 (Gerhard Berger) was waiting for her and by the end of that day, 230-miles into the Atlantic from Fastnet Rock, the ship was torpedoed without warning and then shelled and sunk. SWANMORE (1913 - Johnston Line Ltd.) was transporting general cargo and ordnance from Baltimore, Maryland for Liverpool and eleven of the crew perished:
Alvarez, Jose 21yrs, Trimmer
Bello, Custodio 26yrs, Fireman
Cole, John 32yrs, Fireman and Trimmer
Corcoran, John Thomas 19yrs, 2nd Steward
Coredo, Eduardi 34yrs, Greaser
Greene, Lawence 35yrs, Sailor
Jones, David 19yrs, Able Seaman and Quartermaster
Marfil, Castro 26yrs, Fireman
O’Connor, Edward 19yrs, Seaman
Talbot, Frederick Arthur 17yrs, Appentice
Turner, Arthur Glendenning 17yrs, Apprentice

Meanwhile the two U-boat skippers Jürst and Spiegel exchanged information and greetings before parting. Such fortuitous meetings were always a welcome respite.

Nice finds everyone.

great finds really interesting too

Thank you so much guys!
I am overwhelmed by your help!
Mary Victoria married a third time in USA and yes another exotic guy pervian Alberto Puente.
I have searched Alices child Antoinette Chung back a while and have there details on genesreunited but cannot get any hits or matches on there. In regards to the electoral roll I will have to check them in October when I will be back in UK (emigrated ot oz 2006)
I have got a marriage and a death reference for a Alice Awang as she may have married a second time.
I just wanted to find out that her family brought her up, how sad to be left behind but I wonder if she did keep in touch with her mother though as she named her second child who died after her

Thanks Again for your help, and thanks for the private messages Im off to check them

Ali

Thanks Ali for lovely reply and your thanks to everyone is very much appreciated.
We are all happy to help you in some small way.
Mary A was right about excotic men!
All the very best with Alice.
Tina
ps what surname did she use when she went to USA? Tks

Thanks for the update. When you come in October the Record Office will still be situated in the World Museum next door where it is temporarily while the library is being refurbished.

If you try to visit on a Tuesday afternoon the Society hosts a Help Desk there at 1.30 pm and they will give you whatever assistance they can.

If you have copies of certificates or anything with an address on that will be good since the Electoral Registers are searchable by address only, unless you have an online subscription to 192.com.

If there's anything else we can help you wish, give a shout, please remember not to give details of living people.

Thanks Tina & Mary & Dickiesam!

Managed to find several ER addresses to write to and found two new relatives too! which is a real bonus, just hope they are as curious as me. Mary was Navarra when she emigrated in 1919 cant wait to show mum her picture when I visit, got it from her passport application in 1919 off ancestry.com

Ali

Hi Ali,
As we say over here, well some of us do..
Delighered and excirred to have been able to help.
DS

Good news Ali..well done with some new family connections.
I did look in fmp for 1919 emigration with no luck.
Tina

Thanks Tina
Had more luck in Ancestry by increasing my membership and got copy of the passenger list whichlisted Mary V and her son Alexander Navarra (both deceased) and got a copy of her 1919 passport application.

Ali

Thanks for sharing your good news Ali.
Well done, very happy for you.

Tina