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Hello This is my first post and i hope some one can help me find info on Hugh Gallagher b 1884 liverpool Q1. (What is Q1) I have him on Irish census 1901 living at Warrenpoint, Co Down. It states all children where born in Ireland in the 1901 census this is not correct as my grandfather Arthur Gallagher was born 1886 in Athol St or Athlone St. Many Thanks Art.

Hello Art,

I have checked the Births Index for a Hugh Gallagher born Liverpool circa 1884 but have been unable to find a birth. However there is an entry on the Lancs OPC site for the baptism of an Alfred Hugh Gallagher 14 Nov 1843 at St Peter, Liverpool. He is the son of Thomas and Jane Gallagher living in Silver Street. Thomas was a Tailor by trade.
Hope this helps

Emeltee

Art
Welcome to the forum. 'Q1' means the birth was registered in the first quarter of the year - Jan-March. The indexes were compiled quarter by quarter.
The birth in question may have taken place late in the previous quarter.
I know of an Athol Street, but not an Athlone Strret.
D

The entry for the GRO Index is Hugh Gallagher Q1 1884 Liverpool 8b 83

If you need to order the birth certificate you can do so online at www.gro.gov.uk using the above details, however it sounds to me as though you have either the certificate or the details you need of his parents.

If you do decide to order the certificate, be careful since there would appear to be another Hugh Gallagher born at a similar date in Liverpool, parents James and Sidney.

Do you have his father's name from his marriage certificate to help identify him?

The information, for any of the crew looking to assist, is
25 Charlotte Street, Warrenpoint Down
Mary Ann Gallagher 36
and the following sons and daughters
Hugh 18, Margaret 16, Arthur 14, Mary Elizabeth 13, Catherine 12, Antony 11, Eugene 9, Rose Ellen 7, Bernard 4, Sarah Ann 1.

Was Mary Ann just extremely young when she had Hugh or might she be stepmother to some of the children?

Mary Ann McArdle married William Gallagher in St Anthonys 1883.They where my great Grand parents ,I knew of a William Gallagher born to them in 1884 he died on the SS Upas 1915 of the coast of Ireland,The reason i ask about Hugh is the 1901 census is the only record we have of him sadly i never asked the Gallagher side for my history for info and i have only one uncle left who never heard of a Hugh Gallagher and an aunt who rants about West Derby Gallaghers.Isit me or did the world end with Gallaghers at 6pm liverpool time LOL

There are plenty around Lancashire and Merseyside to my knowledge lol.

What actual proof do you have that the birth found in the indexes is your Hugh? He could have actually been born in Ireland, have you checked the indexes there? They are available on www.familysearch.org and unfortunately there are about ten entries in 1884 in a variety of Counties, whereas there is only the one in Liverpool and that could be the other family that I pointed out above.

Good morning folks,
This would appear to be the Hugh Gallagher born in 1884 [+/- 3] in Liverpool. I don't think he is the Hugh Art is looking for; wrong parents and especially if he is in the Irish 1901 census [see the England 1901 entry below].

1891 England census:
GALLAGHER, James - Head - Married - 40 - Dock Labourer - Scotland.
GALLAGHER, Sidney [sic] - Wife - 27 - 1864 - Liverpool.
GALLAGHER, William - Son - 9 - Scholar - Liverpool.
GALLAGHER, Hugh - Son - 7 - Scholar - Liverpool.
GALLAGHER, Sidney - Dtr - 3 - Liverpool.
GALLAGHER, Amy - Dtr - 1 - Liverpool.
HORIGAN, John - Boarder - Married - 40 - Paper Ruler - Ireland.
PLATT, William - Boarder - U/m - 21 - Paper Finisher - Liverpool.
Address: 33 Upper Milk Street, Liverpool.
RG number: RG12 / Piece:2908 / Folio:86 / Page:6.

In 1901 is he in trouble?
GALLAGHER, Hugh, Prisoner - U/m - 18 - Army Private - Liverpool.
Address: H M Prison, Warwick St Mary, Warwick, Warwickshire.
RG number: RG13 / Piece:2929 / Folio:82 / Page:7.

With regard to Arthur Gallagher bn Liverpool 1886, where is he in the 1891? Were his parents in Liverpool and returned to Ireland before 1891 and are therefore in the the Irish 1901. There's a clue in the Irish 1911.

Whereas in the Irish 1901 there is no father shown as head of household, in the Irish 1911 he is William aged 48, bn Down, occupation steamboat stoker, so he 'travelled'. Also present in the household is a son William aged 26, bn Liverpool.

There are 2 births that could be him, 1885 and 1886. This is the former:
Births Jun 1885> Gallagher, William John - Liverpool - 8b - 133.

DS

Hi Art
I'm sure you have this record 1901 census
From Anc## someone has put a correction for their surname.
Maybe you should find out who it is? could be searching your tree???
Tina

This one doesn't match your birth entry, but there is a
William John Gallagher baptised at Seaforth St Thomas on 9 September, 1888, born 11 February, 1886, parents William and Mary Jane, occupation Labourer, address 12 Corinthian Street.

There's also a William Edward baptised at St John the Baptist, Toxteth Park, on 5th April, 1885, parents John & Elizabeth, address 134 Park Road, occupation Fitter.

No RC baptisms for a William Gallagher, I would have suspected an RC since the parents married in St Anthonys.

Hi again,
Just found this that may be of interest in the Irish 1911:

Residents of a house 43 in Dunmore (Dunmore, Down) - Magherahamlet parish.
Gallagher, Hugh Francis - 26 - Head - bn Co Down - Catholic Priest, Secular, Bachelor of Divinity, graduate of the University of Salamanca - unmarried.
Gallagher, Margaret Sarah - 24 - Sister - unmarried - bn Co Down.

Hugh had a sister Margaret in the Irish 1901 [bn Down about 1885] and shown as 2 years younger than him.

From Familysearch: event type: BIRTHS
Hugh Francis Gallagher; Registration district: Downpatrick
registration quarter and year: Apr - Jun 1884
volume number: 1; page number: 493
film number: 101060
digital folder number: 4193461
image number: 00126

It would be worth confirming the parents for this birth by getting a photocopy of the entry in the Birth Register costing 6 Euro, cheaper than a certified birth cert at 10 Euro, from the Irish GRO at http://www.groireland.ie/ Don't go the HSE application route. It is only for certified copies and is expensive.

DS

Aaah that could be why he's not very much known about in the family - no descendants!

If this is him maybe his sister would be the one to track for descendants who might know something about her brother the priest. Although in my experience, in these situations the sister often remains unmarried as a housekeeper. And I haven't found a marriage up to 1922 when records for the North and South were split between Belfast [Northern Ireland] and Dublin [Eire, later the Republic of Ireland].

If this 1911 Hugh is Art's Hugh, I think a post on the Belfast [Down] Rootschat might bear fruit. It is also possible the Roman Catholic Church records may be able to help find what happened to him.

DS

There is a definite gap in the entries for St Anthony's online. There don't appear to be any baptisms indexed between 1880 and 1888 - just the dates we would be after.

Unless anybody - Katie? would be able to confirm that maybe there weren't any baptisms during those years, then perhaps what is needed would be a search through the original registers - these will be held at the Liverpool Record Office, temporarily housed at the World Museum, 2nd Floor, William Brown Street.

I don't think Art's Hugh was born in Liverpool. The only evidence of his birth, the Irish 1901 census, indicates he was born in Co Down. If the 1911 entry is the same man it confirms Down as the birthplace [see my earlier post giving a possible 1884 Downpatrick birth registration].

DS

There was a William Gallagher baptised at St Anthony's 1883 son of William Gallagher and Mary Ann Gallagher (nee McArdle. They also had a son Arthur baptised St Sylvestors 1886 I will check this out later. Also the Catholic baptisms are not complete on Ancestry. Hugh could be his confirmation name.

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