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Just found a baptism on ancestry there is a note in the side column . Can anyone tell me what it says. Oh remembered some thing from school nomini in patris ( in the name of the father) as for the bit before haven't got a clue.
Also wonder why this child was 12 month old when he was Baptised. Plus I can't find an entry for his birth on the BMD.
Nor can I find him on any census.
This could be my elusive Grandfather. He did name his 2nd daughter Margaret. Could it be he made his fathers name up when he married and altered his age just a year or two.
Any ideas where I can go from here.
Please
Germaine
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Gulielmus Mack Liverpool Catholic Baptisms 1883

Hi Germaine,
Gulielmus is a priest's Latin version of William. Gwilym in Welsh, both from the Old French I believe.

Not sure about Mack. Would have to see it, but might be Marc?

Dickiesam

It is the bit at the side of the image I can't understand Dickiesam.Thanks
Yes they usually used latin for the Christian names then at RC churches and the surname would be in English Mack.
Can't understand why wait a year before gettting Baptised I wonder if she was waiting for the father to come back and perhaps marry her.
Lots for me to look at now just don't know how to prove he was my grandfather and where he was in census.
Had a thoguht I wonder if she put him in a home and the nuns got him baptised.
Oh he has always been a mystery.
Germaine
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The first word is a shortened form of illegitimate

I've been playing with a latin translation on google
I thinkit says & non natus nostra parishia/parochia

Anyhow for that I get "not to be born our parishia or parochia"

So I wonder if it says something like

Illegitimate not born in our parish

This could account for the year's delay for baptism as the child could have been born anywhere.

Hi Germaine,
Can you do a screen shot of the Anc*** image and post it here? I don't have access.

DS

Oh great thanks E O.
You know I bet this is him now to find something to prove it.
Ah yes parochia will be parish we used to call the school hall the parochial hall.
So the birth would not have been reg in Liverpool. She would could have gone elsehwere to have the child or may not be in Liverpool think I best try getting a birth cert.
Oh do hope this is a break through.
Thanks again
Germaine

Yes DS shall try never done that before.
Germaine
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Well I would do if I could find the darn thing I hate this laptop I save things then they disapear.

HELP Don't know how to add the image
Germaine
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I have a A-Z Latin index which was given to me years ago. She got it from the Mormon site. Does not give latin names but it has everything else that you will expect to find written in the side columns on the baptism entries very useful.

Latin Dictionary http://www.thebookmarkshop.com/latin/la ... ionary.htm
How to show a photograph http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=9817

Here you go

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/ ... llatin.asp

Thanks Katie will look at that when I am more awake.
Thanks too Mary am sure I have an account on photo bucket will try that tomorrow too.
Germaine
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Whey hey I did it
Thanks Mary

You could try for a birth certificate as you have the date of birth and the mother's name. It would probably be worth ringing the GRO and explaining rather than just trying on line.

thanks EO thing is I couldn't find anything on BMD to fit with either date given. Good idea to ring them might do that see what they say might get a nice friendly voice on the other end.
Germaine
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Could he be the Hexham, Northumberland birth? Portsea in Hampshire is a bit further to travel and there's no James [Iacobus] on the register.

Births Sep qtr 1882:
Mack, William - Hexham - 10b - 294
Mack, William James, Portsea - 2b - 507.

Did Margaret Mack marry before 1891? Are she and William on the census of that year?

DS

thanks DS I was looking at that one thought it may be too far.
Think I have found a Margaret Mack that was in the right area single never married. No children with her But will do that see if here is one that married and with a child William could be that is why he is never around.
Am going to work on her see if anything comes up to link them.
Trouble is I have nothing on William he has been a mystery from the start, my Dad used to tell me your Mums Dad was a mystery no one knew anything about him only he came from Liverpool. He didn't even tell my mum much only he used to play on Scotland road as a little boy.
There has been no sign of him on any census till 1911. Then he gave his place of birth as Liverpool. His father he said was Patrick. I have had so many people try looking for him with that info and nothing.
I had began to think he had changed his name though he always insisted it was always just plain MACK.
I am wondering was he sort of fostered out took the families name till he went out on his own.
This is the best lead I have had for years I do hope it turns something up.
Germaine
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Well don't think it was the Hexham birth just found that WIlliam died age 1 in Hexham.

I've got an abbreviation for a month on an RC baptism that looks like 9 bris. Using the old month prefix system this would be November wouldn't it? Oct-ober being 8 and Dec-ember being 10.

Blue

Might be worth looking in Liverpool Workhouse records for 1882 to see if there is a Margaret Mack being admitted to have a baby.

Hi Germaine
What was the surname used when young Margaret was born please?

Tina