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I am trying to trace the family of Sarah Turton married to I think John Turton and had 3 sons, John, Brian and Thomas, up to about 15 years ago they lived in Pilch Lane, Huyton. Sarah was my grand fathers sister or step sister.

Hope someone can help me on this one.

You seem to be more interested in living people rather than ancestors. We have tried to put together a few tips and hints here http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=8154 that might help you along.

Hi Mary
I am not more interested in living people than my ancestors, but to find out about my ancestors you need to go to their family to get answers.
My parents and my grandparents are both dead and Sarah I think is also dead but if icould get in touch with her family I might be able to fill in the gaps.
Not being able to get to Liverpool myself I have therefore asked on here in the hope that someone might help. And I am extremely grateful for all the help that people are giving me.

Better information is needed, dates etc. I must admit to having checked a few births of the names you gave but couldn't find any with a common mother's maiden name, but then this is possibly because I had no idea of the dates I might have been looking for.

Might I ask you not to post any details on this forum of people who may still be living.

Hi Mary
I understand what you mean. and would apologise I did not mean to offend anyone as I am new to these forums.
I will try another avenue for my enquiries as per the link you sent to me.
It is just frustrating not being able to find out some information
Thank you again for your help

We could try coming forward from Sarah and your grandfather, but would need some details.

Thanks again, this was another avenue I was trying as I could not find out any information, On a previous posting I mentioned that they were in the cottage homes in Fazekerley, Sarah Lee born about 1900 and William Lee about 1901, we manageed to find them on the 1911 census there. death.y Aunties have always told me that her/her family might be able to give me more information, as I have not been able to confirm Williams date of
The reason I was trying to contact Sarah's family is mI was always under the impresion that Sarah was my grandfathers step sister.
Not to worry I am just going to have to make an effort to come over to Liverpool and look at records. and also visit some of my family and pester them that bit more.
thank you very much for your help

I have checked the marriage indexes for an entry for TURTON to a Lee/Lea/Leigh without success, I suppose it's possible that it could have been a second marriage for Sarah.

paulmlane wrote:I am trying to trace the family of Sarah Turton married to I think John Turton and had 3 sons, John, Brian and Thomas, up to about 15 years ago they lived in Pilch Lane, Huyton. Sarah was my grand fathers sister or step sister.

Hope someone can help me on this one.

I am slightly perplexed with the names of the children..
Assuming, from what you said above, that John, Brian and Thomas were Sarah's children I checked births in Lancashire between 1917 and 1950. Then I analysed the maiden names to find a surname common to all three children.

There was only one, that of Jones. The children were born in 1945, 1948 and 1950, all in Prescot. Emma Jones had married Isaac Turton in Prescot - 8b - 1761.

DS

Hi

If your grandfather is now deceased - give us some details about him. If he is still living - don't!

Where and when was he born?

Who were his parents?

What was his mothers maiden name

Hi Carole
thank you and everyone else who has got back to me regarding this notice, I think I will have to sit back and have another look at this as much as i have tried to get all the correct information on her I may have got it wrong
Her name is correct and I am pretty sure about her family but her age and parents not too sure now.
I am a bit confused, looked at my notes and i knew her mother was Mary Goulding who was married to my gt grandfather William Lee, but her father could be a Jones. The only contact in Liverpool family are my aunts who i have sent a message to try and confirm but they have not been able to help much as they did not keep in touch with her like my mother did.
my grandfather was another William Lee and I was told that Sarah was his step sister
All I really know is that going on when they used to visit us in Llandudno in the early 60's that I thought she was about the same age or older than my parents and the boys were about 5/10 years older than me, I am 54.
thanks again for all your replys.

Hi Crew
There's a marriage in Lancs BMD 1900 for a Mary Goulding to William Lee
Lpool R.O or Registrar attended.
Free BMD June 1900 8b 251

Tina

Added later
Looked in Lpool R.C marriages
Took place at St. Sylvesters 1900 their ref 880

Hi Tina,
thank you for your reply, I have the wedding certificate for william/mary goulding, its just after that where my problems start, Ihave them on the 1901 census but cannot find any trace untill my grandfather got married in 1941 when William was dead on certificate.
many thanks for your help
Paul

paulmlane wrote:Hi Tina,
thank you for your reply, I have the wedding certificate for william/mary goulding, its just after that where my problems start, Ihave them on the 1901 census but cannot find any trace untill my grandfather got married in 1941 when William was dead on certificate.
many thanks for your help
Paul

Hi Paul,
What were the given ages for Mary and William on that 1900 marriage cert and what were the fathers' names and occupations?

DS

William Lee aged 18, general labourer, father William Lee, Chemical Labourer.
Mary Goulding aged 18 no occupation, father John Goulding, Dock Labourer.

Married 25/4/1900.

I know William Lee snr, was still alive in 1907 as his daughter Mary was married then.
William Lee /Mary Goulding had a boy (my grand father in 1900) and I was told he died when my grandfather was about 13.

I have to-day been told that Sarah Turton was in fact a Jones, her father Thomas Jones married Mary Goulding after William died and she also had a brother Tommy

Click click, things are falling into place, if Sarah Turton was a Jones then you should seriously consider researching the findings of Dickiesam above, ie the birth registrations in the Prescot district. This would cover the St Helens area also and the father's occupation of Chemical Labourer would be strongly associated with there.

I know William Lee snr, was still alive in 1907 as his daughter Mary was married then.

not true, if you are judging by the marriage certificate you can't be sure just because it didn't say "deceased" that he was alive then, most of us have certificates that don't give that information and yet we know for a fact that the father has died before then. It is often the case that the question just wasn't asked, so wasn't answered.

Thanks Mary
I have just found Sarah born in 1921 on Ancestry, so I am getting there thanks to everyones help.
Its times like this I wish I had still had relatives in Liverpool where I could go and stay for a few days to investigate in the arcives etc.,
But thanks to everyone on this forum I have taken huge leaps with my tree.
Cheers
Paul.

I wonder..
Looked for a Sarah Jones nee Lee birth between 1915 and 1925 [all counties] and found only one:
Births Dec 1916> Jones, Sarah E - Lee - Wrexham - 11b - 374.

Looked for a Thomas Jones nee Lee and found only one:
Births Dec 1922> Jones, Thomas H - Lee - Oswestry - 6a - 996.

If the E in the Sarah E Jones birth is Emma, that would suggest to me that my analysis of Lancashire birth might have found the right parents..

Assuming, from what you said above, that John, Brian and Thomas were Sarah's children I checked births in Lancashire between 1917 and 1950. Then I analysed the maiden names to find a surname common to all three children.

There was only one, that of Jones. The children were born in 1945, 1948 and 1950, all in Prescot. Emma Jones had married Isaac Turton in Prescot - 8b - 1761; June 1941.

DS

paulmlane wrote:Thanks Mary
I have just found Sarah born in 1921 on Ancestry, so I am getting there thanks to everyones help.
But thanks to everyone on this forum I have taken huge leaps with my tree.
Cheers
Paul.

Hi Paul,
That's great news! Also fits with my possible trace find in that PM?
Births Mar 1921> JONES, Sarah - Goulding - Liverpool - 8b - 70.

And is this Sarah's marriage to a Thomas not a John?
Name: TURTON, Thomas.
Registration District: Ormskirk, Lancashire.
Year of Registration: 1944; Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun.
Spouse's name: Jones, Sarah.
Volume No: 8B; Page No: 1416.

DS

Now we know Mary Lee used Goulding for Sarah's birth registration it is very likely this is her brother Tommy:
Births
Name: JONES, Thomas A.
Registration District: Leigh, Lancashire.
Year of Registration: 1922; Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar.
Mother's maiden name: Goulding.
Volume No: 8C; Page No: 522.

Getting close to the Prescot area and St Helen's....?

DS