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Can anyone help me figure out what cemetery someone living on Maghull Street as part of the St. Thomas Parish in Liverpool might be buried in? Is there some way to track down a gravestone?

Looking for Rbt. Rowe died between 1841 and 1851 there.

If CofE he possibly was buried at St Thomas's. Burials were performed there until the Burial Act of 1853.
See this site for details of the church and its history:
http://library.thehumanjourney.net/273/ ... eportF.pdf

The registers will be at the Record Office but I do not know if they have been microfilmed.
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I think they were probably Catholic..

This is a useful page

http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co. ... rcburials/

We tried to collect a few details together as to dates when cemeteries were open and a few places to search online for transcriptions of MI's etc.
http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=5739

There are no Robert Rowe's listed in the Gibsons Epitaphs.
He isn't in St Anne's Richmond.

I think before you start searching in ernest you need to pin down his date of death, have you searched the indexes? The only Robert Rowe I see in the Liverpool area is
Robert Ashley Rowe Q3 1851 West Derby 20 803, which means that he should be on the 1851 census.

At that date, you need to be aware that even if the family could afford a gravestone, there may not be one still in existence now.

Hi,
There are 18 dwellings shown for Maghull Street in the 1851 census. There isn't a family or person with the surname Rowe listed in any of those dwellings.

Do you have an age at death for Robert, even approximate? And why do you think he died between 1841 and 1851? Because he is in the 1841 but not in the 1851 census?

As MaryA pointed out, the only death from 1841 to 1851 is that of Robert Ashley Rowe in September qtr 1851.

Dickiesam

I have goofed. The person's name is JOHN Rowe who died between 1841 and 1851. Robt is his son.

Dickie Sam, John Rowe/Roe/Row is listed on Maghull St in the 1841 census, and his wife Mary is listed as widowed on the 1851 census (although in 1851 they are on White Street).

That's all I really have to go on..
Also, the birth certificate of his son Rob lists the residence of his parents as Maghull Street.

The birth cert of his son Robert lists the district in liverpool as "St. Thomas"

In the BMD list for deaths 1843 in july/aug/sept there is a John Row in Sub-Registrar's district "St. Thomas" vol 10, page 149.

but there must be many St. Thomas's in all of England+Wales, so I'm not sure how to tell if this is Liverpool or Lancashire specifically...

There's a number of Rowe surname entries on the records of St Anthony's RC Church have a look at their databases:-

http://stanthonys-liverpool.com/project/index.php


Blue

The death of John Row that you have found took place in Exeter, Devon approximately 250 miles away from Liverpool - it's possible of course if his occupation was a mariner or something that took him so far away from home.

If you check the deaths for a John Roe between 1841 and 1851 there are quite a number in Liverpool, it might be quite difficult to pinpoint which one is yours since age at death wasn't specified in the indexes at that date.

I confirm the places I searched earlier - Gibsons and St Anne's Richmond, do not have a John Roe/Row/Rowe listed.

Regarding the entry by Blue above - don't assume that because the death may have been registered as Roe the burial won't be Rowe, especially if the family were not able to read and write, the spelling of a name was assumed by the registrar/priest whoever was entering it at the time, these would be different people.

maryA, where are you searching these deaths that you can tell where they are (Liverpool).

I suspect that the death probably happened in the earlier part of 1841-1851 because there were more more children born after the 1841 census. I would order records starting with the earliest death in that period.

What is the earliest one you found?

That would be quite a risky thing to do. Try this site
http://www.freebmd.org.uk

joey066 wrote:The birth cert of his son Robert lists the district in liverpool as "St. Thomas"

In the BMD list for deaths 1843 in july/aug/sept there is a John Row in Sub-Registrar's district "St. Thomas" vol 10, page 149.

but there must be many St. Thomas's in all of England+Wales, so I'm not sure how to tell if this is Liverpool or Lancashire specifically...

Hi,
While the name St Thomas appears as a Sub-district of Liverpool on the census pages and on the actual BMD certificates, all the BMD registrations in Liverpool for the purposes of the GRO would be under Liverpool or West Derby. In 1881 Toxteth Park was added.

Robert Rowe's 1839 birth in the June qtr was registered under Liverpool:
Births Jun 1839> Rowe, Robert - Liverpool - 20 - 465.

There was in fact a Registration District of St Thomas and it is in Devon. It was abolished in 1937. See: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/dist ... homas.html

Deaths in the area of Liverpool where John Rowe lived would probably be recorded under Liverpool.

Deaths in Liverpool Jun qtr 1841 to Jun qtr 1851...
There were no Row deaths recorded.

Deaths Sep 1842: ROWE, John Henry - W. Derby 20 680
Deaths Mar 1847: Rowe, John - Liverpool 20 399
Deaths Dec 1847: Rowe, John - Liverpool 20 421
Deaths Mar 1850: ROWE, John - Liverpool 20 247
Deaths Jun 1850: ROWE, John - Liverpool 20 327 and ROWE, John - Liverpool 20 232

Deaths Dec 1842: ROE, John -Liverpool 20 351 and ROE, John - Liverpool 20 334
Deaths Mar 1845: ROE, John - Liverpool 20 363
Deaths Jun 1846: Roe, John - Liverpool 20 432
Deaths Jun 1849: Roe, John - Liverpool 20 355
Deaths Sep 1849: Roe, John - Liverpool 20 778

I understand you know that there were children born between 1841 and 1851? If that is the case you should try to identify those children. If the last child was born, say, in 1845 then you should start your death search from the previous year. It could reduce the 'possibles' list considerably and reduce the expense of certs as well!

Incidentally, re Mary Rowe [snr] in the 1841.. Judging by her age in 1851, her age in 1841 is out by about 10 years. I think she should have been recorded as 35, not 25. Someone rounded down on the double to the nearest 5. She was probably nearer 40, or over, because the eldest child Ellen is recorded as 15 and could have been 19.

Dickiesam