Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

looking for the parents of ellen johnson born 1908 died 1940 in liverpool bltz. she had at least 3 sisters jane , ann &mary? and a brother some went to australia, has anyone any info on her parents .barbara.

As Ellen Johnson is a fairly common name I suggest you purchase Ellen's marriage certificate which will give her father's name. That way you hopefully can identify Ellen and her fatherr in the 1911 census.

I looked Ellen up on the CWGC website. How sad she died with 4 of her children? Her poor husband to receive that news.

This site has some information

www.liverpoolmonuments.co.uk/.../blackstock13.htm

Hilary
Ed Officer

thanks for the advice ,just trying to save some money as I AM RESEARCHING 4 FAMILES, and the price soon adds up.lemondog

Hi lemondog
I'm amazed, in the census taken 10 yrs after 1901 there is only one Ellen Johnson aged 3yrs in Lpool.
It could be worth buying some credits to view.

Tina

As the marriage is listed as registry office or registrar attended were the couple RC? If they were it might be worth just trying the register of the nearest RC church to where they were living.

Sometimes there is just no way backwards but to buy a certificate.

Hilary
Ed Officer

Tina wrote:in the census taken 10 yrs after 1901 there is only one Ellen Johnson aged 3yrs in Lpool.

Using the free index only I have managed to establish that the people living in the household with this Ellen are Robert age 34, Bridget age 30 and "Hatherine" age 6.

Hi

Going to send you a PM

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MaryA wrote:

Tina wrote:in the census taken 10 yrs after 1901 there is only one Ellen Johnson aged 3yrs in Lpool.

Using the free index only I have managed to establish that the people living in the household with this Ellen are Robert age 34, Bridget age 30 and "Hatherine" age 6.

Hi folks,
The info from MaryA, from that nameless census, has led to this:
Marriages Mar 1897> Johnson, Robert and Regan, Bridget - Liverpool - 8b - 153.

During the 14 years from 1897 they appear to have had 7 children, only 4 of whom survived. Don't know where the other two are in the Free Index.

Subject to correction I think this is the family in 1901..
JOHNSON, Robert - Head - Married - 24 - General Carter - Liverpool.
JOHNSON, B [sic!] - Wife - 22 - Fruit Hawker - Liverpool.
JOHNSON, Mary Ann - Dtr - 4 - Liverpool.
JOHNSON, John - Son - 1 - Liverpool.
Address: 28 Trueman Street, Liverpool.
RG13 / Piece:3413 / Folio:19 / Page:29.

There isn't a Bridget Johnson who fits in Lancashire in 1901, which is another reason I think this is the family. Ten years later they are living at 1 House, 1 Court, Trueman Street.

And about Hatherine! A slip of the pen? Take your pick!
Births 1905:
March qtr>
Johnson, Catherine Liverpool 8b 27
Johnson, Catherine Liverpool 8b 96
June qtr>
Johnson, Catherine W. Derby 8b 506
Johnson, Catherine W. Derby 8b 330

There are also too many Ellen's born 1908 [+/- 1] to make an accurate call.
DS

Hi

I have PM'D Barb with all census details and marriages etc.

Not sure which set are her parents..as we have Robert & Bridget having Mary Ann, John 1900,Catherine 1905 & Ellen 1908.

Samuel & Jessie having Jessie,1904 Ellen c1908, Alice 1909, Samuel 1912, Henry1913, Mary1916, Lilian 1918 and maybe another Mary..1920

William Thomas & Ethel having George Thomas 1909, Ellen 1908 & Edna 1913.

so who had the Jane and the Ann

We need that marriage cert to confirm her father's name as Hilary suggested. There is no other way around it.

Marriages Mar 1931: Johnson , Ellen and Twigg, John - Liverpool - 8b - 192.

DS

thanks for all your help folks I think it may be robert and briget but I may have to get the marriage cert to be sure.barb

Hi Barb

I take it its your tree on Ancestry..Ellen & John Twigg have a son Robert..so The Robert & Bridget seem to be the likely candidates

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yes thats me on ancestry, you can see the size of the tree so far , the worst though is searching ireland .anyway I`v gone ahead with robert and bridget untill I find out otherwise.thanks again .barb :

lemondog wrote:untill I find out otherwise.

by means of the marriage certificate?