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Hello
Can anyone tell me how to find OPIE STREET, EVERTON on the 1891 Census on Ancestry?
I have OPIE STREET on the 1901 Census where my G Grandfather PETER MOONEY was living at 44 Opie Street. He was living at Prince Edwin Street in 1891.
I have OPIE STREET on the 1911 Census where my Great Uncle SAMUEL MOONEY was living at 102 Opie Street.
I have now found that my G Grandfather ISAAC WOODSIDE born 1848 was living at 10 OPIE STREET in February 1891 when my Grandfather JOHN WILLIAM WOODSIDE (1871) joined the Army.
I have only been able to find my Grandfather JOHN WILLIAM WOODSIDE on the 1891 Census at FAREHAM in the Army.
On the 1891 Census there should be ISAAC WOODSIDE born 1848 and MARGARET ANNE WOODSIDE born 1874 at least. There was JAMES ALBERT WOODSIDE (1867) but I think I have found him working on the Manchester Ship Canal but with an incorrect Birth County. There was another ISAAC born 1869 but he was a Seaman so could have been out of the Country.
I searched on FindmyPast on the Addresses for OPIE STREET, EVERTON & OPIE STREET, LIVERPOOL & just LANCASHIRE but it does not recognise OPIE ATREET or OPIE St at all.
Can anyone help?
Thanks
Pat Berry in Australia.

Hi Pat

If you go into the address search for the 1891 Census on FMP enter the address as follows:-

Opie Street
Everton
Lancashire


Blue

Hello Blue

Thank you for that information. I found OPIE STREET on the FindmyPast Search but at the moment I do not have a subscription to Findmypast. I only have a subscription to Ancestry.
Anyway after trying a few ways to search on Ancestry I finally found the EVEN NUMBERS OF OPIE STREET & ARKWRIGHT STREET was on the same batch. My ISAAC WOODSIDE was not at No.10 though. A JOHN CRIERY was at No 10 and I don't recognise that name. I looked at all the even numbers but there were no familiar names there.
I found OPIE STREET on Ancestry by using LIVERPOOL in the "Lived In" field and in the Keywords-"Ecclesiastical Parish of St Peter, Ward of Netherfield"
I put the ED as 390 which I got from FindmyPast but the ED turned out to be 2.
My G Grandfather died in Walton Workhouse in 1893 so maybe he left 10 Opie Street soon after my Grandfather John William Woodside left to go into the Army.
I will attempt to find the ODD NUMBERS of OPIE STREET later to see if he is hiding there.
Thanks again
Pat Berry in Australia

The ED number relates to the District, so when opening an image in Everton, above it you will see that it is in one of the Districts. Click this and a drop down list will allow you to choose either the street (and others) or the Enumerator's description.
North side of Opie Street - ie the odd numbers, is in District 3

Hello Mary
Thank you very much for that information. I didn't know about that way of searching. I have now found the ODD NUMBERS of OPIE STREET but my Woodside's were not there.
Thanks again
Pat

Hello Pat,
This #10 Opie Street in 1891:

CRIERY, John - Head - Married - 38 - Labourer - Belfast, Ireland.
CRIERY, Elizabeth - Wife - 25 - Liverpool.
CRIERY, John H - Son - 4 - Liverpool.
CRIERY, William - Son - 1 - Liverpool.
Address: 10 Opie Street, Everton, Liverpool.

RG number: RG12 / Piece:2951 / Folio:50 / Page:45

Will now look for your elusive Isaac [1848] and Margaret Anne [1874]. They do appear to be very elusive after my first couple of searches!

By the way, I would assume that Isaac actually died in the Infirmary attached to Walton Workhouse, not the workhouse itself.

Dickiesam

Hi Pat,
Ran another look over both the even and odd numbers in Opie Street without a trace of a Woodside.

As an aside, I did spot an entry by the enumerator for #134...
Tenant left at 6 AM Monday morning - no address - Schedule not collected.
I'd suspect they were doing a 'runner'?

Talking about running.... I am running out of wildcards in the search for Isaac and Margaret. Even in 'all counties' searches. If they are not on either Anc or FMP it doesn't look like a mis-transcription error.

DS

I've also been looking without success.

One avenue to try is the Workhouse Admissions, he may not be listed if, as Dickiesam says, he was in the infirmary, but it's worth checking to see if you can find out the date of admittance and his previous address.

Central Library 0151 2335817.
Write to
Mr Roger Hull
Liverpool Library Satellite Service Unit 33
Wellington Employment Park South
Dunes Way
Liverpool L5 9RJ

There may be a charge

Hi Pat,
Still no luck in 1891...
You may have all this detail but I started out from the first census that Isaac and his wife Alice Ann appear in, that of 1871, to see if there were clues as to mis-transcriptions etc. I found them with sons James A and Isaac here RG10 / 3772 / 151 / 30.

Moved on to the 1881 where they now have John William, Margaret A and Mary A.. RG11 / 3654 / 100 / 15.

Nothing in 1891 so decided to move on to 1901..
But first found that Alice Ann, Isaac's wife had died in Dec qtr 1882 [West Derby]; their daughter Mary A had died in September qtr 1884 [Liverpool], which explained their 'absence' in 1891. But left James A and Margaret A as well as Isaac missing.

To 1901 and found in RG13 / 3408 / 71 / 62....
Margaret A had married Henry Galloway and had a daughter Alice bn 1898.
Marriages Jun 1900> Galloway, Henry to Woodside, Margaret Ann - Liverpool - 8b - 156.

James A had married Elizabeth Horsfall..
Marriages Jun 1892> Horsfall, Elizabeth and Woodside, James Albert - Huddersfield - 9a - 514 .
They and their 3 children are here: RG13 / 4330 / 42 / 9.

Then found young Isaac with his spouse(?) Mary J at RG13 / 3472 / 17 / 25. I ? the spouse because I didn't find a marriage to a Mary J, only one in 1898 to either Eliza Corcoran or Ellen Dempsey [Liverpool - 8b - 85].

What I gleaned from the above is that you might find 'helpful' addresses on the marriage certs for James and Margaret. Although it looks as though James may already have been in Yorkshire in 1891.

Sorry I couldn't turn up more for you. Hopefully MaryA's suggestion about the admission register for the workhouse will provide an address for Isaac senior.

Dickiesam

If he was in the workhouse. It will more likely be Mill Road Workhouse for those that resided in the Everton District these are listed under 614 MIL or if he died in Walton these records do not exist there are only a couple of admission registers for 1914ish and these were rescued from a skip.

Oh heck

Hello Katie
My G Grandfather ISAAC WOODSIDE died in Walton Workhouse on 11th January 1893. I have his Death Certificate and it says he died aged 44 and was a Carter of West Derby (but I think it means West Derby District).
Thanks for replying.
Pat
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Katie wrote:If he was in the workhouse. It will more likely be Mill Road Workhouse for those that resided in the Everton District these are listed under 614 MIL or if he died in Walton these records do not exist there are only a couple of admission registers for 1914ish and these were rescued from a skip.

Hello Dickiesam
Thank you for looking all that up. I did have most of it.
Alice Ann Woodside died in 1882 and was living in Great Homer Street. Isaac Woodside was present at birth.
James Albert Woodside seems to be working on the Manchester Ship Canal in 1891 and living at Eastham. His Birth County is wrong. It is down as Cornwall instead of Ashton-under-Lyne. The man next on the list is from Ashton-under-Lyne so I thought they may have got the two mixed up. James married a girl from Huddersfield in 1892 and lived there until he died in 1935. He was living at Huddersfield when he got married.
Margaret Ann Woodside had Alice Woodside in 1898 when she was single. She had her in Walton Workhouse. There was no father on Birth Certificate but said that Margaret Ann was from Everton. On Alice's marriage certificate in 1924 it said her father was DANIEL WOODSIDE (deceased). We now know that Daniel was Margaret Ann's cousin who lived in Ireland. There is a big story surrounding Daniel. He wasn't deceased in 1924. He must have taken off after Alice's birth. I found him in Scotland in 1901. Then in Devon in 1902 where he joined the Navy. Then he signed out of the Navy and married a Cornwall girl. Took off again from that marriage around 1927 never to be seen again while he was in the Merchant Navy and I found him dead in New Zealand in 1937.
Margaret Ann could have been in Ireland in in 1891 and up to 1897. I don't know. Her father ISAAC WOODSIDE should have been somewhere in England. My Grandfather JOHN WILLIAM WOODSIDE says in his Army Papers in February 1891 that his next of kin is his father of 10 Opie Street and also names his brother James at 10 Opie Street so they must have been there when he left to go into the Army.
Margaret Ann married Henry Galloway in 1900 when she was living at 82 Great Crosshall Street. I think she was living at Hankin Street in 1901.
I am going to write to Roger Hull who Mary suggested regarding the Workhouse Admissions for Isaac and I also want to find out if there is a record of Margaret Ann having Alice there in 1898.
My Grandfather John William married Ann Jane Mooney in 1906. Ann Jane Mooney was living at 44 Opie Street in 1901.
Thanks again
Pat

Hello Mary
Thanks for that name and address for the Workhouse Admissions
I will write to Roger Hull and see if the Workhouse Admissions are available.
Thanks again
Pat

Hello Pat

Do not write to Roger re the death in Walton Workhouse in 1893. Admission and Discharge registers do not exist for Walton for 1893, so save your money.

Kfd

Hello Katie

OK Thanks for that

Pat