Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Last month I had a very nasty shock!

I thought the parents of John SWAIN (1798) were Thomas and Betty/Elizabeth Waller BUT I now find that I could be wrong which makes my whole tree suspect. The lady who contacted me seems to be correct.

I am sure about John SWAIN 1798 - 1844. I know he married Jane Alexander (1795 IOM) at Christ Church, Hunter St. 1823. That is all written down in our family bible which started with his marriage to Jane.

If his parents aren't Thomas SWAIN and Betty WALLER who are they?
There was another Thomas SWAIN who married an Ellen Grace 1794 at St. Ann's and he seems to have had a brother John who also married in St Ann's two years before but I cannot find any other info on these people anywhere.

The names John, Thomas, William, George, Ellen and Mary seem to run consistantly through the tree - if that is any help to anybody.

Has anybody got any good ideas please any morsel will be gratefully received.

Gayna

Hi Gayna
I would suggest you find John in 1841 census.
It won't list relationships but will say if born county or not in the case of Jane bn IOM.
Where they in Lpool in 1841??

John died, before 1851.
Here's census to help our peeps
Ray St Ranson? Court, Vauxhall Dist
Jane Swain 55 wid bn IOM
Jno 18 brass pounder, Henry 17 lithographic printer,
Walter 9 scholar (big gap between the boys??)
all born Lpool.
HO107/2179/440/18

Tina
Added familysearch IGI doesn't have a birth for John Swain with father Thomas.

Woo Hoo Gayna
They are SwainE in 1841..
It looks Ranson/Reason again as address??
John 45 brazier bn county, Jane 44 bn county ?
young George 14 braziers app, Ellen 12, Mary 10, John 8, Henry 6.
HO107/piece 555/ Bk 12

Just going back to 1851 there is a Mary Evans, hubby & kiddie, perhaps Mary aged 10 now married??

Tina

Added later marriage St Nicks
Mary Swain to John Evans 1847
from Lancs BMD

Hello Tina,

Thanks for all that info. I agree the spelling goes from with an e or without whatever the vicar or census taker thought of at the time!!

What I am looking for are the parents of John SWAIN/E or even some brothers and sisters.

I have spent years putting together this tree and now I'm out on a limb.

www.lan-opc.org.uk have a baptism at St Nicholas Liverpool of a John Swain son of Thomas and Elizabeth Swain. John was born 20 Nov 1786 and christened 10 Dec 1786. The family lived at Dennison Street and Thomas was a cordwainer.

It might help if you post the evidence you have that led you to believe John was the son of Thomas and Elizabeth and the evidence that the other searcher has that leads them to believe your John isn't the son of Thomas and Elizabeth.

Hilary
Ed Officer

The John Swain born in 1786 appears to have died in 1815 his burial being on lan-opc

31 Dec 1815 John Swain 29 years of Dennison Street buried at St Peter Liverpool

This John appears to have married Jane Dobson a month before he died

I think this could be your John's burial 11 Feb 1844 at St Nicholas John Swain aged 46 years of Ray Street.

Hilary
Ed Officer

Hi,
Just a note!
On the LOPC site the spouse of Jane Alexander in the 1823 marriage was shown as John Lewis. I have reported the error and it has been accepted. The change to Swain will be made asap.

Dickiesam

Hello Education Officer,

John, son of Thomas and Elizabeth 1786 - 1815 was the John I had thought was mine until I found his death date which made me look again.
Then I found he had the 'wrong' wife. And now I have met through Ancestry the g. g. g. grand-daughter of Thomas Swain of Denison St. who obviously got her facts straight and I can't dispute them.

My John is definitely the man who died 1844 and he had lived in Ray St. As it states that he was 46 when he died that makes his birth 1798 not 1786.

Thanks to all who are trying to help me.