'Clanrigande' Victoria Park, Wavertree.

Post by **Roymontrose** » 30 Nov 2010 16:26

Hi All,

Does anyone know if it's possible to locate the occupants of a premises on a census without knowing their name, i.e. locate the property and it's occupants using the address only?

My Grandma Annie Jones (nee Taylor) was married in 1903 and her marriage certificate gives her address as: 'Clanrigande' Victoria Park, Wavertree, Liverpool. At that time her parents and some of her siblings where living in Sandstone Road, Old Swan, Liverpool where they'd lived most of their married life.

My Grandma worked in service all her working life until she married, so I'm assuming the address on her marriage certificate was her place of work and where she possibly 'lived in'.

I'm trying to find out who owned and lived in 'Clanrigande' just to see if it will give me any connection or information to my Grandma's life.

The 1901 census would possibly help me with the occupants but I just can't see a way of finding it without a name?

regards,

Roy Montrose

Post by **HOLLY** » 30 Nov 2010 17:08

While you wait for a more professional reply here is what I do -

1. Select your year of Census
2. Select a name and area - eg - Smith, Wavertree
3. View original
4. Click on the district at the top of the page
5. Choose a civial parish, eg Wavertree

This will then give you all the districts in Wavertree, choose one and this will give you a list of all the streets in that particular district that the enumerator had on his list.

A bit drawn out but it's cold outside and it's a good way to while away a few hours !! Good luck - Holly

Post by **Blue70** » 30 Nov 2010 17:26

I've looked at the index results using address search on FMP for a few Census years entering Victoria Park for street and Wavertree & Lancashire for the other information. I got various named houses amongst the results but none matching or similar to Clanrigande.

Blue

Post by **daggers** » 30 Nov 2010 17:48

Some editions of Gores/Kellys Directories show names of houses even if they are numbered. There are forum members with various editions who may be able to look this up for you.
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Post by **Blue70** » 30 Nov 2010 18:35

Daggers is right named houses are included in some directories I had a look at Kelly's 1894 and Gore's 1900 and there are various named houses for Victoria Park. Unfortunately no sign of Clanrigande. These directories are available here:-

http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/index.asp

Not much of interest from googling Clanrigande. Rigande seems to have French and West African links it comes up as a surname and a place in Senegal.

Blue

Post by **HOLLY** » 30 Nov 2010 19:25

There is an Annie Taylor aged 37, Cook, living in Victoria Park with Mary L Kenyon. The house name is Heatherlea. Couldnt see Clanrigande -

RG13/3505 Folio 21, page 34

Holly

Post by **Tina** » 01 Dec 2010 10:17

Hi Roy

Victoria Park ran from Sandown Lane through to Mill Lane.
The house may have been mis-transcribed on the marriage cert??
Sorry, not much help.
Let's find a way into 1901

Tina

Post by **Tina** » 01 Dec 2010 10:42

Here's the link for you Roy.
Remember some houses before this & lots more after.
I haven't got time to look for Annie at the mo..
tucker time here

Florence Gudgen
RG13/3505/19/29

Tina

Post by **dickiesam** » 02 Dec 2010 11:57

Hello Roy,
This will take you the 1901 census pages listing Victoria Park.
RG13 / Piece:3505 / Folio:20 / Page:31.
The above is for Albert Mount. You will have to shuffle back and forth to see all the other houses/residents in the Park. There are about 50 or so named houses. And as Tina's reference will show, there are dwellings in Olive Vale, off Victoria Park.

I've looked at the alphabetical list and can't see a Clanrigarde there or anything like it.

A bit of history before lunch!
Because I have never come across that name before I think it may actually be Clanricarde, after a very large estate in Galway, Ireland. The estate is notable because one of it's owners, Hugh George de Burgh Canning (1832-1916) the 15th and last Marquis of Clanricarde, was probably the most notorious absentee landlord in late 19th century. In other words a right B******!

Dickiesam

Post by **MaryA** » 02 Dec 2010 12:07

Always something interesting on the forum

Post by **Roymontrose** » 02 Dec 2010 17:14

Hi All,

Sorry about the delay in replying.

Thanks for all your effort and input, as you say Mary we alway's learn something from the Forum!

I'll look through all your suggestions/ideas and get back to you although some of them I've tried. As far as the spelling of 'Clanrigarde' on the marriage certificate is concerned I'm reasonably sure that's the way it's spelt. As with a lot of the handwriting on certificates it's not 100% clear, but I'm as sure as I can be it's 'Clanrigarde'.

regards,

Roy

Post by **Roymontrose** » 02 Dec 2010 20:53

Hi All,

I went through all the houses in Victoria Park on the 1901 census and as you say there is no 'Clanrigarde' to be found. I then checked every surname of occupants in the houses in Victoria Park, whether the house had a name or just a number, to see if any name was familiar to me, again without any luck. The Annie Jones aged 37 and a Cook at 'Heathlea' Victoria Park is too old to be my Grandma plus my Grandma is on the 1901 Census at her parents home in Sandstone Road Old Swan. So, sadly it looks like we can't go any further on this one.

Thanks to all for taking the time and trouble with my query,

regards,

Roy Montrose