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Hi

I'm looking for more information about John Park (1771) he was married to Hannah (1796). They appear in the 1841 census in Broughton in Furness (Broughton Town) with children - Isaac (1826), Ann (1828) , William (1830) , Hannah (1833).

William left for liverpool and is my Great, Great Grandfather.

I would like to know the place of birth for him and Hannah so that I can continue to trace the family back.

Also the date of death and place of burial would be good.

In fact any info?

Regards
Dennis Park

Hi Dennis
Just for the peeps he is in Lpool in 1871 census born Broughton, with wife Ann and kiddies who were all bn Lpl.
1881 same address same occupation but this time William is listed as born Lpool, census error perhaps?


Tina

Where all John's children born in Broughton? If so I would look for a marriage in the area of John and Hannah.

Does John say he was born in the county in the 1841 census? If yes I would start with Broughton as a place of birth and then widen my search

Are John and Hannah on the 1851 census? If no you need to search the death indexes for a possible death in the area. However at this time no age is given in the index. The most likely place of burial could be the local church so you would need to search the burial registers.

Does Hannah appear on later census as she is younger than her husband? If so her place of birth may help to find their marriage.

Broughton church records will be at Barrow in Furness record office and you may well have to visit there to find the answers.

Broughton in Furness was in Lancashire at the time you are interested in.

Hilary
Ed Officer

PS Lancashire Parish Register Society has published a transcript of the Parish registers to 1812. It's volume 90.

Hi E.O
John is listed as 75 in 1841 not born county
Hannah, well she could be 65 or 45 not born county.
Wm 11, Ann 13, Hannah 8 and Isaac 15 all born county.

I looked in IGI but I put father in as John, will go back as he may be the grandpa and Hannah grandma??


1851 Isaac Park bn Broughton is in Cumberland married with 2 kiddies.
Ann who could be Hannah?? bn Broughton servant in Uppr Holker aged 16yrs.

1861 as Wm Park in Lpool wife Ann 6 kiddies


Tina

Hi,

Thanks for the info. To answer a few questions : William Park, yes he married Ann McKittrick, and they had heaps of kids (11 living but that's another story).

In a couple of census's he named his place of birth as Broughton in Furness, so it fits (you wouldnt just make that up!)

Isaac went to Mungrisdale and had various careers (Labourer, Tile cutter, Publican etc). and then he went to live in Maryport in later life with one of his children.

OK so back to John Park (1771).

John was in Broughton in 1841 with Hannah (who was much younger than him) as you say their place of birth is not listed.

All the Kids seem to have been born in Broughton, but after the 1841 I cant see Hannah or John! The children I can track.

So the key must be to find some other data about John or Hannah (BDM) etc, and I will order the CD from the Lancashire society.

I have a lady that sent me some info about a John Park (from Ulverstone town), but how do I confirm that she is talking about the same John Park (there seems to be lots of Park's in Ulverstone.

So any assistance from the great team on this website would be good.

Thanks
Dennis Park

Hi Dennis

from BIVRI

PARK, John Marriage
Wife: Hannah WOODS
Marriage Date: 27 Nov 1816 Recorded in:Broughton (near Preston), Lancashire, England
Source: FHL Film 1470861 Dates: 1813 - 1837


Simone x

I don't think Broughton near Preston is the same place as Broughton in Furness which is in Ulverston registration district and nearer to Barrow.

The volume of the Lancashire Parish Register Society only goes to 1812.

Hilary
Ed Officer

Hi Simone,

I would love you to be correct, but Broughton (nr Preston) is a different place. So I fear that I cant sign off on that one.

Anne Rayner has a John Park (1771) in her Family tree (Genes reunited) from Dalton in Furness, and if this is the same John Park she traces the line back to 1550, but only names and dates of birth.

I will try and get over to barrow and see what i can dig up and lets see any more idea's or info via this forum.

keep going Simone!

Regards
Dennis Park

Just to add a reminder about 1841 cenus
John and Hannah listed as NOT born county..

Tina

Tina I knew there was some reason I looked at Lancashire as well as Cumberland I'm losing it

Hey Simmo
I can blame old age, what's your excuse

Tina

Hi,

I was playing the odds game here, the odds that they would marry in Broughton (nr Preston) and then end up in Broughton in Furness are pretty high.

But stranger things have happened!

The hunt continues!

Regards
Dennis Park

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Hi

insanity is not a condition but a way of life!

I found that on my maternal side my Grandmother Blinkhorn married her cousin Albert Williams. So my mother was the product of married cousins.

So that's my excuse!

Keep hunting

Thanks
Dennis Park

Hi

How do we know that the John with Hannah isnt their Grandfather.. and maybe his son John was their father and Hannah is widowed.. Or John & Hannah might be their Grandparents..

Also your William.. how do you know you have the right one in 1841.

Wondering why William & Ann called their first daughter Sarah and second Mary as Ann's parents mother was called Catherine,

In 1826 this John would be 56 i think he is far too old to start having kids unless Hannah is his second wife, so maybe older children to a first.

xx

Hi,

Ok William 1st (William Park & Ann McKittrick),their 1st child was named Sarah Ann Park, second daughter was Mary Jane Park,then came Ann Park.


I followed Williams path from 1841, 1851, 1871, 1881 & 1891 census.I will check again but it looks ok?

As far as John is concerned he could be the grandfather or Hannah could be the 2nd wife or any variation on that.
The case is open on that family layout.

Where do we go from here?

Regards
Dennis Park

Hi

John Park (1771) born 28th April 1771, Dalton in Furness , Father James Park Mother Bridget Greenwood.

However in the 1841 census he declares that he was not born in county? Census error?

Regards
Dennis Park

The difficulty with the place is that it may have changed counties throughout the years, sometimes being in either Cumberland, Westmoreland or at another time in Lancashire. Also depending on where in the town/village the family lived they might have considered themselves in a different county. There's also the chance that the enumerator thought it was in a different county - lots of factors to take into account and we find it difficult to accept anything on a census as gospel.

The 1841 census you give says the township of West Broughton and then the address is given as Broughton Town

John is 75
Hannah 45
William 11
Ann 13
Hannah 8
Issac 15

Just to put a cat among the pigeons I think that the William of that census is this one

1851 census I haven't found him yet

1861 census Bank End West Broughton
William Parke H M 31 farm lab
Jane wife 27
John son 5
William son 2

all born West broughton

1871 census Woodhouse Broughton West
William Park H M 41 farm lab
Jane wife 37
William son 12
Henry son 8
Mary Ann daur 6
Ruth daur 1
all bn West Broughton

1881 census Low Outhelside West Broughton
William Park 50 farm lab
Jane wife 47
Ruth 11
Thomas 6
all bn West Broughton

This William was married possibly in 1860 to a Jane Cleasby or Jane Southwell both names are given on www.cumbriabmd.org.uk so probably married before . This marriage took place at St Mary's Dalton in Furness

Your William gives Liverpool as his place of birth in the 1881 census and Broughton in 1871. In 1861 he gives Broughton. I notice he is a boot closer. On this census he gives his birth year as 1827.


At his marriage how old does he say he is and what is his father's name?

I think you need to be very careful as there appears to be 2 William Parks born near each other but possibly one being slightly older than the other.

Also on the 1841 census I think Hannah may be the mother but that John is the grandfather. However as I've said I think this may not be your family.

I could be wrong!!

Hilary
Ed Officer

I have found some baptisms on www.lan-opc.org.uk which may help

17 Oct 1825 Isaac Park son of John Park and Ruth labourer abode Parkhead

31 March 1823 Mary daur John and Ruth labourer Parkhead

1 Jan 1825 William son of William Park and Hannah husbandman abode Hilll

3 Nov 1827 Ann daughter of William Park and Hannah husbandman abode Whallenrigg

6 Aug 1828 Matthew son of William Park and Hannah husbandman abode Hill

27 March 1830 William son of John Park and Ruth labourer abode Ecclkeriggs

12 Oct 1831 James son of William Park and Hannah abode Hill husbandman

22 Feb 1834 Hannah daughter of William Park and Hannah abode Hill husbandman

All these at St Mary Magdalene Broughton in Furness

It seems as if the children on the 1841 census may belong to 2 families.
As I thought there are 2 Williams one the son of William and Hannah - this is the older one and one the son of John and Ruth.

I think it hinges on the father of the Williams as given on their marriage certiciates.

John Park married Ruth Kitchener on 6 May 1822 at St Cuthbert Kirkby irelth he was a widower more details on www.lan-opc.org.uk

William Park married Hannah Holmes on 9 December at St Mary Ulverston more details on lan-opc

Hilary
Ed Officer