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i have got my family history back as far as alexander (archibald) mclean
born 1843 born scotland and ellen mckenna born 1847 born ireland.but cannot trace a marriage date.the eldest son james joseph born liverpool1883.i have tried LDS also ancestry sites but no luck. i have also checked scotlands people and irish sites.the problem their is the number of people with those names are numerous any help would be much appreciated thaks

Do you have the family on any censuses? If so please will you post the details.

Do you have John Jospeh's birth certificate? If so please will you post the deatials from the certificate.

Hilary
Ed Officer

Hi Alex and welcome.
Don't forget there may not have been a marriage; a not unusual occurrence! Can you post a census page reference where you have Alexander and Ellen together as 'man and wife'? I can only find Ellen as a widow in 1891 with two children James [8] and Alexander [5]. RG12 - 2928 - 68 - 27.

I found Alexander's death: Mar 1891: McLean, Alexander - 48 - W. Derby - 8b - 498. Does the death cert show his occupation?

I assume you know Ellen's maiden name from the birth cert of one of the children? What was Alexander's occupation on that cert and was it the same on their other child's birth cert?

I see from the 1901 that Ellen had married again.. RG13 - 3436 - 37 - 17.
Marriages Sep 1894: Donnelly, Matthew to McLean, Ellen - Toxteth Park - 8b - 471.

Dickiesam

on 1091 census ellen mclean was noted as a widow
alexander mclean died 3/2/1991 garston docks in an accident employed as a rigger
james joseph was born 14/1/1883
i have misplaced alexander's birth cert at this moment in time
on james's marriage sert to annie stubbs 25/4/1905 he had changed is name to james alexander
yes ellen reremrried to mathew donnelly and died in 1929
as far as i can find out i think both alexander and ellen are buried in anfield cemetary liverpool but not certain

Education Officer wrote:Do you have the family on any censuses? If so please will you post the details.

Do you have John Jospeh's birth certificate? If so please will you post the deatials from the certificate.

Hilary
Ed Officer

ref james joseph mclean
born 14th january 1883
father alexander mclean
mother ellen mclean formaly mckenna
fathers occupation rigger
informant ellen mclean (mother) 43 rockingham st kirkdale
registed 26th february 1883


nb christened st johns west derby
married st nicholas pier head

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They are quite an age to be having their first child in 1883, I'm thinking perhaps of a previous marriage, maybe even a current marriage preventing them making it official.

Have you obtained the marriage certificate for Ellen and Matthew Donnelly and what is her father's name?