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Sovinah Ashton marries John Joseph Wainwright 1906 Liverpool 8b 113.
James Thomas Cahill had married Sovinah's sister in 1902, Margaret. She had previously been married to a Fitzgerald.
In !901 census, the group had lived in the same house.
Sovinah may have had more children but in FreeBMD Dec 1911 she is listed as the mother of Joseph Wainwright West Derby 8b 656.

My new query is: Does anyone related to the above birth of Joseph Wainwright in 1911 have any knowledge of the circumstances of his aunt Margaret and her marriage to James Thomas Cahill?

Again, a very long shot, but I don't have any easier options.

Alan

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See following links for background on the Cahill's

http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/p ... nah+ashton

http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/p ... nah+ashton

Does anyone related to the above birth of Joseph Wainwright in 1911 have any knowledge of the circumstances of his aunt Margaret and her marriage to James Thomas Cahill

There is a Thomas Fitzgerald/Margaret Ashton marriage in 1897 - have you checked for a Fitzgerald death prior to 1902 which would surely explain her re-marriage to Cahill?

Presumably Cahill was married previously as there is a 12yr old daughter in 1901 and Margaret was only 24. When did his wife die?

Carole,

Yep ! There is a death for a Thomas Fitzgerald allowing his wife, Margaret to eventually marry James Cahill.

This whole enquiry is based upon the premise that we don't know when James Thomas' Cahills' first wife, Sarah Ellen Williams EITHER died or DISAPPEARED.

The child of that marriage Ellen (or Helen in the 1901 Census) certainly did exist. She was my grandmother.

Alan

Hi Alan,
I have a note of it somewhere, I think, but can you post the Cahill family home address from Ellen's 1888 birth cert? And the given home addresses for James and Sarah at their 1887 marriage as well as the names of the witnesses?

Save doing an extensive trawl...

Brian

Ellen Cahill born 12 Nov 1888. Address was 117 Towson Street Everton.
James Cahill marries Sarah Ellen Williams 14 June 1887 at St Anthony's Chapel Scotland Road. His address was 33 Epsom St Liverpool and hers was 40 Ascot St Liverpool.
Witnesses were: James Thomas Blake & Matilda Gallagher.

Thanks for the continued interest.

Alan

Hi Alan,
If something odd/strange/bad/'awkward' had happened to Sarah her brother Benjamin would have known what it was and it might be in his descendants family lore. Just wondering if you had thought of tracking them down as well as James Cahill's sister-in-law's descendants?

In 1891 Benjamin is still with his Aunt Sarah [Currie] whose spouse John is a sailor. I think this is Benjamin in 1901 having married in 1898 and he's come up in the world: Marriages Sep 1898: Davies, Florence Harriet and Williams, Benjamin - Toxteth Park - 8b - 463.

1901:
WILLIAMS, Benjamin - Head - Married - 27 - Electrician (Wireman) - Toxteth Park, Liverpool.
WILLIAMS, Florence - Wife - 20 - Toxteth Park, Liverpool.
WILLIAMS, Doris E - Dtr - 0 (7 MOS) - Toxteth Park, Liverpool.
Address: 104 Hawkins Street, West Derby.
RG13 Piece:3488 Folio:10 Page:12

Within a decade it would appear that the baby Doris had died. This is the nearest for her: Deaths Jun 1901> Williams, Doris - 0 - W. Derby - 8b - 397.

But Benjamin and Florence now have 6 sons, including twins, and another daughter. Some of the sons have 'unusual' forenames that might help track them though marriage etc. I would have thought that if something bad had happened to Sarah, one of his two daughters would have had the name?

Dickiesam

Hi Guys

If that is Benjamin.. looks like he had a varied career to say the least =

on Lancs OPC

Baptisms: 14 Oct 1900 St Bartholomew, Vauxhall, Lancashire, England
Doris Elizabeth Williams -
Child of Benjamin Williams & Florence
Born: 1900 Sep 5
Abode: 104 Hawkins St
Occupation: Insurance Agent
Baptised by: John Howard Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1841 - 1929, Page 252, Entry 2095
Source: LDS Film 1656153



Baptisms: 13 Apr 1902 St Bridget, Wavertree, Lancashire, England
Frank Joseph Stanley Williams -
Child of Benjamin Williams & Florence
Born: 10 Mar 1902
Abode: 25 Whitman St.
Occupation: Tram Conductor
Notes: P.
Baptised by: J. E. Wymolt Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1899 - 1902, Page 77, Entry 687
Source: LDS Film 2147908

Simone x

I certainly do not want to be a wet blanket, BUT!, on the question of Benjamin Williams, I believe in the 1901 Census he was still living as a single man with John Currie and his wife Sarah with whom he had been since 1881. The address is 88 Leta St in the Civil Parish of Walton on the Hill. His first name appears as "Bann"!
RG 13/3454.

Then I believe he appears in the 1911 census married to Elizabeth McBride and has 4 children in the house. This information is posted elsewhere on this site. Perhaps too many different postings ?
Now living at 109 Ashfield St Liverpool. Ref: RG 14 PN 22121.

I hope I haven't posted too many red herrings.

Alan

Hi Alan

Not to worry I must admit I get abit lost now searching back all the old threads.. keep meaning to type myself up a little summary I do like to browse the cold cases from time to time in case anything updated on Anc* etc that may give us a clue

she'll turn up one way or another one day

Simone xx