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My Great Grandma was Sarah Cynthia Dalton, born 1891 in Bootle. Her birth certificate lists her parents as Richard Dalton and Mary Ann Coppock.

Richard's father, I believe was an Edward Dalton, but on the census returns, a Richard is living with his mother Jane on Olivia St, Bootle and she is listed as married and head of the household. However, there is an Edward Dalton, born Co.Carlow,Ireland lodging nearby.

I haven't been able to find proper evidence to prove that this is his father, but the dates would match up, he is, however, listed as unmarried.

Apologies for my facts being sketchy, but if anybody can help me out, I'd be grateful.

You need to find Richard's marriage to Mary and obtain that marriage certificate as that will tell you the couple's father's names. Unfortunately so far I've failed to find the marriage!

Hilary
Ed Officer

Hi

In 1861 Richard is living with his parents

Firs Lane Aughton

Edward Dalton age 26 Wheelwright Journeyman b Halsall
Jane age 23 b Sefton
John age 1 b Aughton
Richard age 3 months b Aughton

marriage Edward Dalton - Jane Morley Lpool Feb 3rd 1859

children so far


John Blackhurst Dalton 1859
Richard 1860
Another John c 1866

death

Burial: 28 Mar 1862 St Cuthbert, Halsall, Lancashire, England
John Blackhurst Dalton -
Age: 2 & 1/4 years
Abode: Halsall
Buried by: William J.Turner
Register: Burials 1844 - 1872, Page 120, Entry 980
Source: LDS Film 1849658

Death of Edwards mother

Burial: 9 Jul 1884 St Cuthbert, Halsall, Lancashire, England
Sarah Dalton -
Age: 74
Abode: Halsall
Buried by: F.J. Thompson Curate
Register: Burials 1884 - 1896, Page 4, Entry 28
Source: LDS Film 1849658

This is most Likely your Edwards Death

Burial: 29 Dec 1891 St Cuthbert, Halsall, Lancashire, England
Edward Dalton - NOTICE HIS ABODE!!!!! could be they seperated...
Age: 57
Abode: Halsall
Notes: Registers Copied
Buried by: David J.Thomas Curate
Register: Burials 1884 - 1896, Page 52, Entry 415
Source: LDS Film 1849658

The County Carlow Edward is on the 1881 visiting in Grosvener St and your Edward is at his mothers house so not the same man.

There is one in Brownlow Hill workhouse in 1891 ages 50 says born Liverpool..Now there were two Edwards born Liverpool 1843 and 1844 but there are also two deaths 1845 and 1847 so looks like these two boys may have died.. so we can take them out of the picture and maybe this is your Edward he may have been ill and thats why hes there he does die later on that year..

Thomas Dalton Edwards Father born Downholland 1809 possibly the son of a Thomas Dalton & Jane Darwin

working on this couple there is a marriage in Formby 1795 then theres a few children for this couple first is John born 1799 in Maghull thenElizabeth 1802 Maghull, Jane 1805 Maghull, Mary 1807 Maghull abode Downholland, then Thomas 1809 Downholland, and Richard 1811Halsall, Francis 1813 Halsall and finaly Ann 1815 Halsall.

This Thomas's occupation was a Wheelwright on all the childrens baptisms apart from Thomas 1809 he was a Farmer..thats whats throwing me a bit
unless he was between jobs for a spell..


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Hi,
Would you post the census page reference for young Sarah in 1901 please. Like Hilary, I can't find a Richard Dalton marrying anyone between 1875 and 1900! It is possible that he and Mary Coppock never married.

Did find a Richard and Mary A Dalton family in Bootle that might be the one in 1891 at RG12 / 2970 / 52 / 31. But by 1901, Richard has died and the family appear to be in Manchester > RG13 / 3756 / 13 / 17.

Dickiesam

Hi D.S
Sarah is married in 1901 as Hulse
21 dressmaker
Mother Mary Dalton wid 54
sister Mary E Dalton 19 unm drapers asst
all bn Lpool
99 South St Tox Park.

RG13/3435/104/8

Marr Sarah C Dalton to Edward H Hulse
St Silas Tox Park 1900 (from Lancs BMD)

Tina

Sorry folks wrong family.
1891 Sarah's father is William 44 shipwright, mother Mary,
with grannie Christina Page 70, Tox Park.

Tina

dickiesam wrote:Did find a Richard and Mary A Dalton family in Bootle that might be the one in 1891 at RG12 / 2970 / 52 / 31. But by 1901, Richard has died and the family appear to be in Manchester > RG13 / 3756 / 13 / 17.

If I have the same family as Dickiesam I believe that this might be a second marriage/relationship for Mary A.

2 Delaware, Bootle - All born Lancashire Bootle
Richard Dalton Head M 30 Dock Labourer
Mary A Wife M 37
Alice J? daur 14
Richard son 5 Scholar
William son 2
Henry B Brown Cousin S 32 Dock Labourer
Sarah Green Visitor 26
Sarah ? Dalton daur

Could be worthwhile investigating either Henry Brown or Sarah Green, but I suspect the main clue is Alice who at 14 years old I don't believe will be Richard's child.

Maybe we have the wrong family altogether, I believe the family that Dickiesam and I have been looking at may be found in Chadderton in 1881 RG11; Piece: 4089; Folio: 5; Page: 3.

Perhaps Ashley could perhaps give the address from the birth certificate and also the details from Sarah Cynthia's marriage certificate to help us.

If I have the same family as Dickiesam I believe that this might be a second marriage/relationship for Mary A.

That's the one Mary. The 1901 Manchester family has all the same children named with matching ages. And because of Alice's age I thought the mother had been married before and perhaps was still married, which would explain the absence of Dalton/Pollock marriage. Unfortunately there are a lot of Mary A Coppocks getting married in the right time frame.

If Richard's YoB is abt right in the 1891 [1861], this should be his death:
Deaths Dec 1895 > Dalton, Richard - 34 - W. Derby - 8b - 242.

Dickiesam

I'm struggling to locate her birth certificate at the moment, but her death certificate says she was born on the 27th August, 1890.

ashley_ball wrote: her death certificate says she was born on the 27th August, 1890.

That matches the birth index, she was registered in Q4 1890.

But the information from the birth certificate might well be crucial since it was fairly close to the 1891 census and might confirm the address, also the other information might be useful ie who registered the birth and their address.

All information from her marriage certificate would be great too.

Hi Ashley,
Given the DoB at death, this looks like her birth:
Births Dec 1890 > Dalton, Sarah Cynthia - W. Derby - 8b - 374.

And an 1891 census search produces the one we found earlier with a Sarah 'S' Dalton. Perhaps someone spelled Cynthia Synthia?

It would be a good idea to search the 1911 for her. Might tie in with the 1901 census result we found in Manchester. Have sent you a PM.

Dickiesam

Hi all

Sarah is in Manchester around 1911 as a servant,,her mum was born in Eccles so has gone back to her roots by 1901

Her daughter Alice is single IN 1901 her surname is ROWLANDS

1873
COPPOCK Mary A - ROWLANDS Hugh J Manchester Cathedral (formerly Manchester Collegiate Church) Manchester


Heres your marriage
1882
DALTON Richard ROWLAND Mary Ann Middleton, St Leonard Rochdale

Alice was born in Middleton

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Nice one Colette, all tied up well.

Hi

Hugh Joseph Rowland was the son of a David and Alice.. born Salford 1844..

in 1881 he was at a Convalescent Home Seabank Rd Southport.
He died

Deaths Sep 1881 Oldham

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