Cahill & Williams Link

Post by **alan donougher** » 11 Sep 2010 09:01

Back again and still searching !

Sarah Ellen Cahill (born Williams) has disappeared but her brother Benjamin has not.
I think the following information is at least 100 years old so I am content with posting the following names.

Can anyone help with a link between Sarah Ellen Cahill & Benjamin Williams
(her brother & family).

About 1910-1912
Benjamin Williams married to Elizabeth (McBride)
Children were
Owen b. 1904
Mary b.1906
Francis b. 1908 &
Josephine b. 1910

What do I say ? I am looking for a Williams connection to a wayward sister
or aunt or great aunt.

Still believe in the difficult being sorted out!

Alan

Post by **MaryA** » 11 Sep 2010 17:34

I suggest you give Benjamin (and Elizabeth's) dates of birth and birthplace to help out and any parental information from the marriage certificate please.

Post by **CaroleW** » 12 Sep 2010 01:03

Hi

You haven't given any birthyear or birthplace for Sarah Ellen or who and when she married but freebmd says 1887 to James Thomas Cahill so we just need her birthyear and birthplace?

Is she on the 1911 census

If not - what is the last "sighting" of her

Post by **CaroleW** » 12 Sep 2010 01:05

About 1910-1912
Benjamin Williams married to Elizabeth (McBride)

But they had children born in 1904?? - freebmd shows that marriage as 1901

Post by **alan donougher** » 12 Sep 2010 23:37

Apologies to Carole. That "About 1910-1912" can out of nowhere. Just reinforces that you should preview and edit before sending post.

Sarah Ellen Williams born 3 Oct 1870 to William Williams and Ellen (Fox).48 Epsom St Liverpool
She married James Thomas Cahill on 14 June 1887 in St Anthony's Scotland Road They were living in Epsom & Ascot Sts.
Child Ellen was born at 117 Towson St 12 November 1888.
Last documented sighting I have of Sarah Ellen Cahill is at Our Lady of Immaculate Conception Church Liverpool on 8 January 1889 when she was godmother to an Allan Doolin.Thanks
Alan

Post by **CaroleW** » 12 Sep 2010 23:54

Where is daughter Ellen and husband James in 1891 and 1901

Post by **CaroleW** » 13 Sep 2010 00:25

I am just posting the link to your post on the Liverpool Echo message board as there have been quite a few replies so it will save us duplicating info

http://forums.icnorthwest.co.uk/viewtop ... 51e81509d8

Post by **alan donougher** » 13 Sep 2010 04:09

James Thomas Cahill, wife Sarah Ellen Cahill and daughter Ellen are totally missing from the 1891 census. People here have been looking for them in vain for years. In 1901 James reappears with daughter now written as Helen at Kendrick street in Seaforth Liverpool. The census says he has a wife, Margaret in the same house but this marriage did not take place until the following year.

Post by **simone** » 04 May 2011 18:24

Hi Alan

On Anc* there is a burial at Ford Cem in 1894 for Sarah Ellen Cahill, 5 hours old... have you had a look into this child at all, wonder if connected, (although realise they already had a child called Ellen

)

still trying

Simone

Post by **alan donougher** » 05 May 2011 05:12

Thanks for thinking of me after all this time.

In front of me I have the Birth Cert. for Sarah Ellen Cahill born 22 Nov 1894.
Father was Michael Cahill (should have been James Thomas.) Mother's maiden name was Houlgraves (should have been Williams.) Address was 4 Siddons Street Litherland which had never previously appeared in any documents.

So, not mine !! But I still live in hope.
Funny thing! She appeared on the A..... Liverpool Confirmation documents as the godmother to a Florence Gallagher. Gallagher was the name of a witness at Sarah Ellen's wedding. But although the wedding had occurred in June 1887 and the confirmation occurred 4 months later at St Anthonys', she used her maiden name on the Confirmation Cert.

Please keep her in your sights.

Alan

Post by **simone** » 05 May 2011 16:58

Hi Alan

I can't see the confirmation for Florence

found it now

prob won't help.. but just in case

Matilda Gallagher was the witness wasn't she

John Tomlinson m Mathilda Gallagher b c 1867/69 at St Peter's in 1890.

she looks possible to be daughter of John and Matilda Gallagher, and poss confirmation in 1867 Matilda Croft Gallagher has mother maiden name as CURRY see that name before haven't we

mother's christian name a bit suspect on transcription and image though

can't make it out as Matilda

Simone

Post by **simone** » 05 May 2011 17:20

1871
RG10; Piece: 3765; Folio: 38; Page: 70

John Gallagher 46 ship steward b dublin
Matilda Gallagher 41 b scotland
Mary Gallagher 21b dublin
John Gallagher 19 b dublin
Margret Gallagher 15 b dublin
William Gallagher 11 b liverpool
James Gallagher 9
Joseph Gallagher 7
Mathilda Gallagher 4
Josephina Gallagher 10 Months
Matilda Currie 64 mum in law b scotland
Margaret Christhole 25
Jana Christhole 9 Months

Post by **simone** » 05 May 2011 17:33

Tomlinson's in 1891
at Sim? St
RG12; Piece: 2922; Folio 67; Page 32
John Tomlinson 22
Mathilda Tomlinson 22
John I Tomlinson 17 Days

Post by **alan donougher** » 06 May 2011 04:36

More work for me next Tuesday at local FHS !! Job 1 =Street search 1891 census where the Gallaghers & Tomlinsons lived to see if there is some resemblance to the Cahill surname living nearby. I will let you know of the results, good or not so good. Thanks once more.
Alan

Post by **simone** » 06 May 2011 08:48

Good Luck Alan

it may be worth looking at the Tomlinson/Gallagher marriage to see who witnesed it

fingers crossed.

young Florence was baptised in July 1875 at St Anthony's...
her parents were Michael Gallagher b c 1845 and Elizabeth nee McElroy/ Mcelvoy., who married at St Anthony's in 1868..with the in laws in 1871 RG10; Piece: 3757; Folio: 122; Page: 57
baptism in records as Florans

wonder when Florence married? could Sarah have witnessed that marriage?
with mum and dad in 1881 & 1891
1881 at Nursery Street
RG11; Piece: 3595; Folio: 79; Page: 35
1891
6 Candia? Street
RG12; Piece: 2958; Folio 12; Page 18
she is still at home with mum in 1901
RG13; Piece: 3465; Folio: 18; Page: 28

there is a Florence on Canadian passenger lists but I can;t see if after 1901.. don't have sub

Post by **simone** » 06 May 2011 16:01

Florence Agatha Gallagher m Hugh O'neill in sep q 1906
8b 1161
on lancs bmd as Register office or attended

and can't see it in Liverpool records...
was hoping that as only 5 years younger than Sarah and Sarah her godmother then may have been quite close, and so Sarah witness marriage

dohhh

Simone x

Post by **dickiesam** » 06 May 2011 23:52

Hi Simone and Alan,
10 years after the last census that Simone found Florence in, the family are still at the same address 6 Candia St. Florence is still with her mother but is now married to Hugh O'Neill.

Marriages Sep 1906 - W. Derby - 8b - 1161.
Gallagher, Florence Agatha and O'Neill, Hugh.
[Hugh bn abt 1874, Liverpool, occupation 'seaman']

There appear to be 5 children that could be born to this marriage...
O'NEILL, Hugh Gerard - West Derby - 1909.
O'NEILL, Francis X - West Derby - 1910.
O'NEILL, Florence A - West Derby - 1913.
O'NEILL, James H - Liverpool - 1915.
ONEILL, John - West Derby - 1918.

DS

Post by **alan donougher** » 10 May 2011 05:56

I have just finished looking into each house on the streets suggested in this posting, looking for any sign of a name that could in any way be interpreted as Cahill in the 1891 census. Sorry to say, "No luck !" I did find the Tomlinsons & Gallaghers though. Thanks !

But the day produced some positives, the best one being my g grandfather Christopher's Birth/Baptism which confirmed the names of the couple whom I thought were his parents ...courtesy of the Liverpool Parish Records. Plus records of the death of two of my father's siblings, both before the age of 1.

Just the things to keep the interest bubbling.

Alan

Post by **simone** » 10 May 2011 09:18

Dohhh. bad luck Alan

we'll get her one day

maybe

good that you got some success whilst there

Simone x