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Hello.

I was wondering if someone could help me identify some information regarding the death of Edward O'Connor (born 1868, Liverpool)

His wife Bridget O'Connor (nee Campbell) was a widow in 1901 census, but they had a child in 1898.

He married Bridget Campbell in 1889 and his occupation was a Fireman.

Edward O'Connor wasn't seen in the 1891 census either.

I can't seem to find any info regarding his death.

If anyone can help me I would really appreciate it.

Thank you,

Dan

The occupation of 'fireman' often meant a stoker or furnace attendant, as well as what we now have to call a firefighter.
He may have been seagoing, in which case he may have died afloat or abroad, and you should try to find out via the overseas deaths registrations [sorry but I don't have access to them]
D

ahhh that might make sense as his brothers were seamen!!!

I'll have to have a look. This might also explain why he wasn't present during the 1891 census.

Thanks

Hi,
There's only one death for an Edward O'Connor in the GRO Marine Deaths and the Consular death indexes between 1897 and 1901. Problem is this one is shown as 21 years old: Edward O'Connor - 21 - died Genoa, Italy - Volume 11 - Page 1351 - Consular deaths 1901-05.

Dickiesam

If you visit this link it will tell you what is available to locate the death of a seaman

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cata ... ID=246&j=1

Is there any way of searching the records on the national archives website or do you have to get them to search the records for you. I'm sure they charge about £90!!!!

Maybe he did die on land in the UK. I just don't want to have to purchase lots of death certificates to figure out which one is him.

Actually. On his daughters marriage certificate it doesn't say that he is deceased. But his daughters fiance does say that his father is deceased.

This has confused me again. But it definitely says that his wife is widowed in 1901 and 1911.

Dan

I have a similar problem finding the death of a marine fireman I've tried different things and still can't find the death record. I posted about it here:-

http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/p ... 79df91d978

Blue

Hi Dan
My grandad was also a fireman in the Merch. I've been very lucky to find him through Ellis Island site, on White Star/Cunard etc.
As you said Mary is a widow in 1901, not sure if she's into rags or bags?
Youngest Ellen is 3yrs old.
O'Connor is hard to search as a lot of sites list them as Oconnor.
Please can you give us details of 1891.
Thank you
Tina

Hi Tina. I think you mean Bridget, not Mary. But they did have a daughter called Mary actually.

Anyway, in 1901 Bridgets occupation is a rag sorter (i think that's what it says) and in 1911 her occupation is Fish Hawker.

It's hard to find them in the 1891 census simply because they are listed as Connor and not O'Connor but I managed to find them.

In 1891 Bridget O'connor (nee Campbell) is living with her daughter Elizabeth 6months old and her sister Ellen O'Connor (nee Campbell) who was actually married to Edward O'Connors brother James O'Connor. Neither James or Edward are seen on this census which makes me think they might have been at sea as James O'Connor was a seaman.

Actually James O'Connor had died before 1911 too! Suspicious!

My apologies..typo
about Bridget/Marý.
I'm pleased you found them in prev census.
Don't know where you can find deaths.
Sorry not to have been of much help.

Tina

Thanks to everyone for their help, but I've now discovered that Edward O'Connor didn't die until 1921. The only thing that confuses me now is that in 1901 and 1911 his wife was listed as a widow. Anybody know why this might have happened?

Thanks,

Dan

It is possible that Edward left his family and in those days, it would be considered a disgrace and not something to admit, so maybe she simply lead people to believe she was a widow. Have you searched for Edward outside of Liverpool in 1901 and 1911? I have a similar problem, a gt Uncle of my mum's it seems deserted his wife & young family which no one knew about until 2 wks ago when 1 of his daughters from the lady he set up home with contacted me as this man died when she was v young & she knows nothing about him or her half sisters. My mum remembers this gt Uncle's sisters but is adamant that this gt Uncle died in the war as that is what they were always told.

Oh that's a possibility I guess.

The only thing is that they were buried together at Ford Cemetery. Him in 1921 and her in 1942. Their son Patrick owned the grave so maybe they had no money and had to bury her with her husband. I wonder if there are any other records that I could search that might indicate whether or not they were still together. In the burial records for Edward and Bridget it does state their address as 20 Tenterden street so it is a possibility they were still together. But still a mystery why she declared herself a widow.