Michael Barker and family

[Kirsty]

...Could be Thomas was a doctor but it doesn't say so...

Hi Chris, Tina, Mary & All,

I'm with Mary, it looks like the cause of death was PHTHISIS. But for the cause of death to be 'certified' wouldn't there have had to have been a doctor in attendance? Like you say Chris, could Thomas HOOLON (?) have been the doctor?

Tina = That thunderstorm sounds lovely. I do enjoy a good thunderstorm. Everything smells so fresh afterwards. We've had buckets of rain in Warrington today (but not of the lovely summer storm variety - more the grey cold variety) and OT said it snowed and hailed in Manchester.

Hugs all round, Kirsty

[MaryA]

for the cause of death to be 'certified' wouldn't there have had to have been a doctor in attendance?

Just had a look through some of my certs and it wouldn't seem like the doc had to be there at the time, but probably had ministered to the patient during the certifiied time.

[Tina]

Hi Everyone
I agree with Mary, the person listed was usually there at the time of death.
Doctor's too busy to wait around when patient was terminally ill.
Thomas may have been the brother in law?
Doctor has confirmed on the death cert that the illness had lasted 2 years.
Probably no need for an autopsy.
Thomas' surname is a corker to find!!

Tina

[Kirsty]

Hi All,

Could HOOLON simply be a spelling mistake? Is it just me or does HOOLON not really sound like a real name? Sorry if it is ...

Just found the name HOOLON (very few entries) on FreeBMD but none appear in Lancashire. I reckon HOOLON must be a spelling mistake then. Probably... ...

TTFN, Kirsty

[MaryA]

I totally agree that it's probably a mis-spelling, just of what is the problem, that was why before I saw it I suggested Houlton, still could be I suppose but the writing doesn't look like it does it?

[chrisrose]

Hi Tina, Kirsty and MaryA,
Thanks for your helpful suggestions. You must all think I've lost the plot somewhat but it is a while since I started this post. I've just been re-reading some of the earlier posts and realised that Colette had found the marriage of Mary Ann Barker to Thomas Houlton before. As it meant nothing at the time I sort of put it to one side, but now I'm beginning to wonder. I know the death cert doesn't look like Houlton, but in the absence of anything else I'd certainly consider it. It just seems like too much of a coincidence. Kirsty, I agree, Hoolon just doesn't sound right does it?
As regards the cause of death I think that is sorted as PHTHISIS. Sounds like a nasty way to go - as he had had it 2 years I wonder if this is why he was perhaps in Ireland in 1851 convalescing?
Guess I'll never know!
Chris

[chrisrose]

Hi All,
Just thought I would update you on some recent findings.
Following the link on another post for irish records I did a little more research on Michael and family and
BINGO
Son James was in fact baptised at St John's RC church in Co Kilkenny 4/8/1850. Mother's name, Mary Harrison is recorded so it is definitely the right one. I found the entry, but as James is not a direct ancestor didn't actually pay to view, but passed the details to another forum member who is directly related and she decided to have a look.
So, I guess that solves the mystery of where the family probably were in 1851 and hence why we could never find them in Parr!
As Michael dies from a TB related illness in 1853, we think they must have gone to Ireland for the clean air.
Hoped that this may lead me to Michael's bith but that is still proving elusive. Still, what I am learning about this game is never to give up. If you come back weeks, months or even years later another avenue has often been opened up.
Flushed with the success of this one I think I just might have to follow up on my Brennan ancestors who look like they may have been in the same parish (Brennan's were Mum's side and Barker's Dad's - small world isn't it )
Thanks again to all of you who have helped me with this one along the way and special thanks to Dickiesam for posting the Irish link
Chris

[sylviaclev]

Hi, I've just been reading all the messages regarding the Barker family, I'm not descended from them, however I am descended from Mary's second husband Henry Twist, my gt. grandmother Rachel was Henry's daughter - Mary's stepdaughter.
Regards,
Syl

[MaryA]

Hi Syl and welcome to the forum. I'm sure Chris is going to be delighted that you have come across his post and made contact.

[sylviaclev]

Thanks Mary, I was a member a few years ago and have just rejoined, so it's great catching up with my St. Helens and Whiston ancestors names - have so many of them
Syl

[chrisrose]

Hi (again!) Sylvia,
This is spooky
I read this message before Christmas, but was too busy to reply at the time. I've just picked up your message abot the Eden family and replied. I then came back to this post and realised they were both from the same person It looks like we might both have connections to the same families. Very interested to hear that you are connected to Henry Twist. It's always nice to have others confirm your findings isn't it?
Let me know if you think we can be of mutual use to each other.
Chris

[sylviaclev]

Hi Chris, ha ha, it is a bit spooky isn't it! I was really pleased to find your post on Mary Barker's family, especially the info about Michael, do you know if Mary was Irish, or was she a Lancashire lass? I don't know if you have any interest in the Twist family, but I do have a fair bit of info if you want it.
Thanks again
Syl

[sylviaclev]

It's ok Chris forget about that question, I just found Mary's baptism record on OPC, a Lancashire lass through and through! .
Syl

[chrisrose]

Thanks Sylvia. I won't trouble you for the Twist info at the moment as there's lots of more relevant stuff I should be concentrating on, but I expect at some point I might have some questions for you.
Chris

[sylviaclev]

No probs Chris, just let me know, I do however have another coincidence for you - it seems we could have another connection on the Harrison side. My aunt Esther, nee Molyneux, was married to James Harrison, whom, I believe but will have to confirm it more, was the grandson of Peter Harrison, Mary Barker nee Harrison's, brother. Did that make any sense to you at all??
Syl

[chrisrose]

Syl,
This is getting more spooky by the day
I assume you mean Peter born around 1817? I've found baptisms of 6 children from 1814 to 1832 on the IGI, but interestingly they don't come up on Lanc OPC (unless I'm missing something).
Chris

[chrisrose]

oops silly me
Was looking in Prescot not St Helens.
Now found all 6 baptisms.
Chris

[sylviaclev]

Glad it's not just me who has 'senior moments' LOL