Redmond/Redman

[LThompson]

HI Bert,

Of course, it makes sense, Elizabeth Lloyd married Arthur Redman.
She was living with her daughter.
I think it was the Miss Nancy Redman that threw me.
The other is that I have an Arthur Redman dying in 1979 who lived at 55 Beaverbrook. I believe I have the wrong Arthur and will see if I can find an Arthur Redman dying prior to 1945.
OR, they were separated.

I have no idea who William G Jones is. Do you?
Lois

[Bertieone]

The problem with Electoral registers, it doesn't prove relationships,

I'll look to see who William G Jones was, prior to Irene marrying she was here,

Electoral Rolls,

Irene Redman
1945 Winskill Road 59 

Irene Redman
1950 Winskill Road 59 

[Bertieone]

Electoral Rolls,

1960/1965,

Richard Francis Jones
Irene Jones
16 Yew Tree Close

[LThompson]

Just thinking in 1970 a William G Jones appears with Irene Redman Jones on the electoral lists.
She was married in 1955
What is the voting age in England? Presumption is that it is not 15, which would eliminate him as a son.

I know it is witchcraft but my autosomal DNA shows numerous Jones as 2nd to 4th cousins. I am slowly working my way through each one looking for common names.
A group are an X match (maternal) so I am very interested in those.

Cheers
Lois

[Bertieone]

Probate for Richard Francis Jones, still at Yew Tree Close, 1988,

I'm now suspicious who the Jones's were at Winskill Rd 1970, coincidence perhaps?

[LThompson]

It does not seem to add up, does it.

[Bertieone]

That's the problem, on Electoral Rolls it could be anyone and not always related, as long as they live there and are of voting age.

"United Kingdom. The Representation of the People Act 1969 lowered the voting age from 21 to 18, with effect from 1970 and remained in force until the Scottish Independence Referendum Act 2013 which allowed 16 year olds to vote for the first time, but only in Scotland and only in that particular referendum."

[Bertieone]

Lois,

I wasn't happy associating the nickname Nancy with Elizabeth, It's more likely to be associated with variations of Ann.

Annie Redman, born 1922,June Qtr, Liverpool, mothers maiden name, Lloyd.

She doesn't appear on the 39 register with Arthur and Elizabeth because of redaction.

She can't appear on any Electoral register until after her 21st birthday.

A possible marriage,

Reginald J Roberts
Annie Redman
1943, Liverpool N. 8b 748

[Bertieone]

Annie Redman's birth was registered June Qtr, 1922.

Possible death,

Nancy Ann Roberts,
Birth, 29 April, 1922,
Death, August 1994.

Need to find Annie Redman's exact date of birth.

[Bertieone]

Births to the combination, Redman/Lloyd between 1913-1939.


Births Jun 1914
REDMAN Arthur Lloyd W. Derby 8b 964
Births Mar 1917
Redman William H Lloyd W.Derby 8b 732
Births Sep 1919
Redman Irene Lloyd W.Derby 8b 802
Births Jun 1922
Redman Annie Lloyd W.Derby 8b 870
Births Jun 1929
Redman John Lloyd W. Derby 8b 1082
Births Mar 1933
REDMAN Ronald Lloyd Liverpool 8b 362

There's 3 names redacted on the 39 Register.

[Bertieone]

Returning to the letter, it must have been written between 1940 and 1943.

The Pickworth's were still living at 59 Winskill Rd, 1939/40 and Annie married in 1943 so no longer a Miss.

it also give an approximate date when the Redman's moved to Winskill Rd.

[Bertieone]

A death to consider, as he wasn't with Elizabeth, 1945 Electoral roll.

Arthur Redman, 1940, Birkenhead, aged 54, giving birth date, 1886.

[LThompson]

Again Bert, I am amazed and forever thankful!
We found only two children from Arthur and Elizabeth. You have given us 6.
This is wonderful with so many leads.
I appreciate your tenacity and willingness to help me out.
You have no idea what this means. My cousin and I always thought Arthur Redman never came to Canada because he died in England.
This was the only answer since grandma said she was older than Arthur and all the siblings came as home children. Now we find an entire family.
You are one in a million!
Lois

[Bertieone]

Thank you for your kind words, you're very welcome.

[LThompson]

Hi Bert,

I have found a living (I think) of Arthur Redman and Anne Whiteside.
****** in North Liverpool to Redman and Whiteside.
IN 2002 to 2005, Arthur, Anne and Adele were all living in Liverpool, Merseyside
In 2011-2012, it was only Arthur and Anne. Arthur died in 2012.

IS there anyway I can find this person? I tried Facebook to no luck. Marriage records are only before 2003.

I do not mind the footwork but would appreciate knowing where to look.

Cheers
Lois

Edited to remove details of living person MA

[Bertieone]

Lois,

A few suggestions Mary has put together,

viewtopic.php?t=8154

[Bertieone]

You might want to google,

Adele Redman, Solicitor.

[LThompson]

Oh my.......

[Bertieone]

Lois,

are you thinking that Arthur who died in 2012 is a descendant of Arthur Redman & Elizabeth Lloyd?

Arthur who died 2012 has a birth date 14 Dec, 1942, mothers maiden name Lloyd.

Likely parents, Arthur Redman & Mary T Lloyd, married , Liverpool, Dec Qtr, 1941, 8b 933.

Edited, line removed, wrong info.........................................

https://funeral-notices.co.uk/north%20w ... MAN/608889

[LThompson]

Hi Bert,
Arthur Redman 1914-1979 & Mary Teresa Lloyd 1917-2004.
They married in Oct 1941 and Arthur would have been 24.
Arthur Redman 1941-2012 & Anne Whiteside in 1964 in Liverpool, North. Confirmed UK marriage registration.
He would have been 22 when married.

The funeral notice is from Anne (wife) Paul and Adele (Children),
The first remembrance is from cousins: Lena, John, John and Tommy.

I think we are OK with this group.
Another great find.

Lois