Henrietta Lancaster (Yates)

[Goldstone]

Do you have the baby Henrietta's burial in Walton Parochial Cemetery?
Grave 51.U paid 10/- Henrietta Yates 5 Gadsby Street, Everton, 16th April 1921 age 19 months.

and
Florence Sybil Yates, same address, 12th February, 1918 age 8 months Grave 42.M paid 5/-

There don't appear to be any entries online for this cemetery for 1950, could be worth checking there, need to look it up at the Record Office.

That's interesting, on my parents marriage certificate his address is listed as 5 Gadsby Street! It also said that my mums address was 2 Gadsby Street and that was incorrect. Good grief, find that very sad. Is it possible then that Henrietta could be in Walton?

[Blue70]

Newton Terrace was also known as Court 6, Rokeby Street. It was near to William Henry Street. This is a map of that part of Everton.





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[Goldstone]

Henrietta Ellison, bn, baptised, 1876, Liverpool married Charles William Lancaster, bn 1872.
Married Liverpool 1894.

If this is the correct Henrietta, then FreeBMD has the following births/deaths which could belong to her and William Henry Yates:
Births Sep 1917: YATES, Florence S, mother's name Ellison - W.Derby, 8b, 759
Deaths Mar 1918: YATES, Florence S, Age 0 - W.Derby, 8b, 682

Births Dec 1919: YATES, Henrietta, mother's name Ellison - W Derby, 8b, 1018
Deaths Mar Jun 1921: YATES Henrietta, Age 1 - W Derby, 8b, 525

Interesting that these two were registered but William Henry and Walter were not. I did wonder if they were registered as Ellison or Lancaster since Henrietta and William weren't married but no sign of any possible registrations for those either.

Henrietta is not listed on the Toxteth Park Cemetery website, so it looks like she was not buried there. Do we know where her "husband" William Henry Yates is buried or when he died??

Alison

I don't know when William Henry Yates (my grandad) died or where he is buried but do know he died before my parents married in 1936

[MaryA]

The clues to the address would definitely seem to suggest that they were all the same family. It's a definite possibility that she is buried in Walton, however there are no records online for that date.

It's not the easiest place to find a grave unless it was one of the few with a headstone as there are no plans, the grave plans having been lost during the blitz. It is now a City Farm.

[dickiesam]

Births Sep 1917: YATES, Florence S, mother's name Ellison - W.Derby, 8b, 759
Deaths Mar 1918: YATES, Florence S, Age 0 - W.Derby, 8b, 682

Births Dec 1919: YATES, Henrietta, mother's name Ellison - W Derby, 8b, 1018
Deaths Mar Jun 1921: YATES Henrietta, Age 1 - W Derby, 8b, 525

It would appear that these two children were born to Henrietta and William Henry Yates. It would be worth going for a birth cert for one of them stipulating the parents' names in order to find out William's occupation. Essential to stipulate parents because if the GRO are unable to find an exact match they will refund the £9.25 fee. That occupation detail may help find him in the 1911 census and therefore his year of birth. With the latter, we should find his death and hopefully place of burial. Henrietta may have been buried with him.

[Blue70]

Some of my people lived in Field Street they were buried in Everton Cemetery. The area is Everton so that's a good possible place for the burial.


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[Goldstone]

Births Sep 1917: YATES, Florence S, mother's name Ellison - W.Derby, 8b, 759
Deaths Mar 1918: YATES, Florence S, Age 0 - W.Derby, 8b, 682

Births Dec 1919: YATES, Henrietta, mother's name Ellison - W Derby, 8b, 1018
Deaths Mar Jun 1921: YATES Henrietta, Age 1 - W Derby, 8b, 525

It would appear that these two children were born to Henrietta and William Henry Yates. It would be worth going for a birth cert for one of them stipulating the parents' names in order to find out William's occupation. Essential to stipulate parents because if the GRO are unable to find an exact match they will refund the £9.25 fee. That occupation detail may help find him in the 1911 census and therefore his year of birth. With the latter, we should find his death and hopefully place of burial. Henrietta may have been buried with him.

On my grandmothers DC it has William Henry's occupation as Builders Bricklayer and on my parents marriage certificate he's listed as Bricksetter

[dickiesam]

On my grandmothers DC it has William Henry's occupation as Builders Bricklayer and on my parents marriage certificate he's listed as Bricksetter

On that death cert does it say if Henrietta was a widow or relict of William Henry?

[Goldstone]

On my grandmothers DC it has William Henry's occupation as Builders Bricklayer and on my parents marriage certificate he's listed as Bricksetter

On that death cert does it say if Henrietta was a widow or relict of William Henry?

It says widow of William Henry Yates, Builders Bricklayer

[MaryA]

Got him!
Walton Park Cemetery - 6th September, 1935, Grave Ref 4MM - paid 15/- William Henry Yates of 5 Gadsby Street, Liverpool, age 73 years.

Seems he would have been born around 1862.

[dickiesam]

I wonder....

1901: RG13 Piece: 3456 Folio: 73 Page: 18
Address: 44 Stonehill Street, Walton on the Hill, Liverpool
William H Yates Head 36 1865 Bricklayer Lpool, Lancashire
Mary Yates Wife 35 1866 - Lpool, Lancashire
Wm Yates Son 13 1888 - Lpool, Lancashire
Elizabeth Yates Dtr 10 1891 - Lpool, Lancashire
Maggie Yates Dtr 8 1893 - Lpool, Lancashire
Thomas Yates Son 6 1895 - Lpool, Lancashire
Alexander Yates Son 4 1897 - Lpool, Lancashire
James Yates Son 2 1899 - Lpool, Lancashire
Henry Yates Son 0 1901 - Lpool, Lancashire
Alice Yates Dtr 0 1901 - Lpool, Lancashire

[MaryA]

I keep coming back to that one DS, in the next census he is William Henry Yates, at the same address, 45 years old, claiming to be Married but living alone and occupation a Slater for the National Telephone Co.
RG14; Piece: 22399 Enumeration District : 43

[Bertieone]

She's left him?

1911,
RG14, P22399
6 Stonehill Ave

Mary Jane Yates 44
Elizabeth Yates 20
Thomas Yates 16
Alexandra Yates 14
James Yates 12
Harry Yates 10
Alice Yates 10
Ada Yates 6
Lilly Yates 4

[dickiesam]

I keep coming back to that one DS, in the next census he is William Henry Yates, at the same address, 45 years old, claiming to be Married but living alone and occupation a Slater for the National Telephone Co.
RG14; Piece: 22399 Enumeration District : 43

Saw that but didn't have time to post a comment, having to dash before I shut down for a while.

And

She's left him?

seems to confirm it.

[MaryA]

Wonder if our Henrietta had anything to do with that?

[MaryA]

Checking for marriages to see if we could find any trace of Charles, I think this marriage might be worth investigating.
Hannah Lancaster to William H Eames at Everton, St. Saviour Q1 1922 W.Derby 8b 393

[Goldstone]

Wonder if our Henrietta had anything to do with that?

Goodness, started out trying to find Henrietta's burial place (and I haven't yet) and ended up finding that there is a very likely chance that my grandparents had 20 children between them - mind boggling for my sister and I. Wouldn't that be some reunion. I think now I need to apply for some BMD certificates to try and marry things together. Do you agree?

[Bertieone]

Goldstone,

Perhaps if you fire off an internal Ancestry PM to the owner of this tree

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/635385 ... 8104179166

they might have some family stories lurking, or you may be able to enlighten each other.
There's a photo of Charles William Lancaster, so there might be a close family connection.

Let us know how you get on, if you do.

[Goldstone]

Goldstone,

Perhaps if you fire off an internal Ancestry PM to the owner of this tree

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/635385 ... 8104179166

they might have some family stories lurking, or you may be able to enlighten each other.
There's a photo of Charles William Lancaster, so there might be a close family connection.

Let us know how you get on, if you do.

Thank you for this Bertieone. There is someone researching the Lancasters so here's hoping she makes contact. Kind regards

[Goldstone]

Goldstone,

Perhaps if you fire off an internal Ancestry PM to the owner of this tree

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/635385 ... 8104179166

they might have some family stories lurking, or you may be able to enlighten each other.
There's a photo of Charles William Lancaster, so there might be a close family connection.

Let us know how you get on, if you do.

Thank you for this Bertieone. There is someone researching the Lancasters so here's hoping she makes contact. Kind regards

No response yet but have to be patient. Considering my grandmothers name etc I was just wondering would her burial place legally be under the name Lancaster or Yates?