certificates for Thomas Smith 1st April 1900

[simone]

Hi

the family you are looking at in 1911
all born macclesfield
RG14; Piece: 21484
Samuel Smith m 33 labourer for council
Emma Smith 32
Annie Smith 14
Thomas Smith 11
Mary Smith 9
May Smith 6
Samuel Smith 4



1901
1 Albion Street, Sutton Macclesfield
RG13; Piece: 3314; Folio: 88; Page: 4.
Samuel Smith 23 Bricksetter labourer
Emma Smith 22
Annie Smith 4
Thomas Smith 1


1891
41 London Road Macclesfield
RG12; Piece: 2817; Folio: 96; Page: 7
Thomas Smith 51 boatmaker, b staffordshire, Longnor?
Mary Ann Smith 48 b staffordshire Longnor?
Joseph Smith 21 b staffordshire Longnor?
Samuel Smith 13b macclesfield
Alice Maud Smith 12 b macclesfield
Elizabeth H Smith 6 b macclesfield

now I thought it may be this family but looks like Joseph still alive with a wife and family on the very latest census
RG14; Piece: 21484
Joseph Smith 41b Longney, Staffs
Sarah Smith 29 b Loppington
Dorothy Smith 9 b Macclesfield
Joseph L Smith 5 b Macclesfield
Frank Smith 1 b Macclesfield
Lily Millward 15 ward, b Gorton Manchester
Violet Millward 13 ward, b Gorton Manchester

where did you get the name of Emma's first husband from?

Simone x

[simone]

where did you get the name of Emma's first husband from?

Simone x

I see it now.. someone has detailed it in their correction to Emma's name on Ancestry.. they have put her name as Emma Barker Titterton. the marriage took place at Prestbury St Peter in 1885.


1891 Penfold St, Macclesfield
RG12; Piece: 2814; Folio: 96; Page: 6
Joseph Smith 28
Emma Smith 26
Charles H Smith 7/12

Charles dies 1892
death
SMITH Charles Henry 1 Stockport

could do with seeing their marriage cert

looks like he is son of Daniel and Mary on census, but no brother Samuel

[dickiesam]

Emma Titterton's marriage:

[simone]

Hi

the family you are looking at in 1911
all born macclesfield
RG14; Piece: 21484
Samuel Smith m 33 labourer for council
Emma Smith 32
Annie Smith 14
Thomas Smith 11
Mary Smith 9
May Smith 6
Samuel Smith 4


1891
41 London Road Macclesfield
RG12; Piece: 2817; Folio: 96; Page: 7
Thomas Smith 51 boatmaker, b staffordshire, Longnor?
Mary Ann Smith 48 b staffordshire Longnor?
Joseph Smith 21 b staffordshire Longnor?
Samuel Smith 13b macclesfield
Alice Maud Smith 12 b macclesfield
Elizabeth H Smith 6 b macclesfield

Simone x

Now Joseph Smith who was Emma's first husband was son of Daniel and Mary by looks of it

1871
39 Garden St, Tytherington, Macclesfield
Daniel Smith 33 b Staffordshire Railway Goods guard
Mary Smith 34 b Macclesfield
Alice A Smith 10 b Macclesfield
Joseph Smith 8 b Macclesfield
Charles H Smith 5 b Macclesfield
Daniel Smith 2 b Macclesfield
Elizabeth Smith 2 Months b Macclesfield

1881
59 Garden St
RG11; Piece: 3489; Folio: 131; Page: 10
Mary (Daniel) Smith 44 head, married Daniel crossed out?
Alice Ann Smith 20
Joseph S. Smith 18 pater spurs maker, not so sure that is an S in the middle.
Charles H. Smith 14
Elizabeth Smith 10
William Smith 7
Alfred Smith 4

1881 Daniel is lodging in Alsager with Hibbard family. He is a Railway Shunter
RG11; Piece: 3536; Folio: 132; Page: 34

1891 back in Macclesfield with family
RG12; Piece: 2810; Folio: 101; Page: 9;
59 Garden St
Daniel Smith 54 b Talk O'th Hill, Staffordshire
Mary Smith 54
Elizabeth Smith 20
William Smith 17
Alfred Smith 14


1901
57 Garden St

Daniel Smith 64 b Talk o'th Hill, Staffordshire, Railway good guard
Mary Smith 64
Elizabeth Janos 30 dau
George Janos 28 son in law
William Janos 6 grandson
Charles Janos 3 grandson

and 10 years later
RG14; Piece: 21475
11 Garden St, Macclesfield
Elizabeth Janes 40
William Janes 16
Charles Janes 13
Arthur Janes 6
Daniel Smith 74 boarder pensioner
Mary Smith 74

Now given that Joseph's dad is from Staffordshire, and Samuel's dad Thomas is from Staffordshire too, both ending up in Macclesfield .. could Joseph and Samuel be cousins that may be the link

Simone x

[simone]

Thanks DS.. we cross posted

[dickiesam]

Just a bit of possible background... This might be the baptism of the Benjamin Titterton, witness at Emma's marriage, a cousin?
Benjamin Titterton
Baptism Date: 24 Jul 1867
Baptism Place: Macclesfield
Parents: Benjamin and Jane Titterton
Record Group: 08-0497 p1; Ref ID:Page: 125 Record number: 998
Parish/ City / Town: Macclesfield; County: Cheshire
Record source: Diocese of Chester parish registers of baptisms c1538-1910

[dickiesam]

RE:

From Simone: I see it now.. someone has detailed it in their correction to Emma's name on Ancestry.. they have put her name as Emma Barker Titterton. the marriage took place at Prestbury St Peter in 1885.

Birth: TITTERTON, Emma Barker
Registration district: Macclesfield, Cheshire
Year of registration: 1864; Jun qtr
Volume no: 8A; Page no: 131

[simone]

btw there's another Samuel Smith b c 1877 Macclesfiled at Prestbury, Macclesfiled on the census. Looks like he marries Ann, but doesn't have a child called Thomas by 1911. His parents are John and Elizabeth and interestingly John is from Staffordshire too looks to me like Daniel, Thomas and John could all be brothers then

Simone x

[simone]

There's a birth reg in Jun q 1899 at macclesfield for Thomas Edward Smith.

Can't see one on census that fits at Macclesfield, just the Thomas Smith with father Samuel.. so wonder if this birth reg could be him

Simone x

[dawnelyndadawe]

btw there's another Samuel Smith b c 1877 Macclesfiled at Prestbury, Macclesfiled on the census. Looks like he marries Ann, but doesn't have a child called Thomas by 1911. His parents are John and Elizabeth and interestingly John is from Staffordshire too looks to me like Daniel, Thomas and John could all be brothers then

Simone x

Well done you
I am looking for birth certificates for the family at 43 Byron street
I think they might be mary kathleen 1905 and Gertrude May 1902, i think they might have their names mixed up, which would be good, as i am looking for a Kathleen or Katherine to go with my Thomas they both got sent off together from the family very few birth in Macclesfield
I cannot find for the life of me the wedding in approx 1897 for Samuel Smith and Emma, i cannot find any birth certificates or baptism certificates in Macclesfield for any of this family in Bryon Street.
Anyone else finding anything on this Smith family from 1911 onwards.

[simone]

can't see a marriage either
also bothered that Thomas may have gone to Canada before 1911 and he still on census wiith Samuel in 1911

still think Emma Smith being step mum to Lizzie may be the connection though

Simone x

[dawnelyndadawe]

can't see a marriage either
also bothered that Thomas may have gone to Canada before 1911 and he still on census wiith Samuel in 1911

still think Emma Smith being step mum to Lizzie may be the connection though

Simone x

You will not find Thomas Smith on any 1911 Canadian census, i cannot just find him anywhere.
He would have been in the Quebec/Montreal area, he told my mum he was 10 ish when he went give or take a year.

I think it might be my Thomas with father Samuel and he went with his sister Kathleen Mary, but on census as Mary or May. Think something happened to Samuel 1878 and Emma, marriage breakdown or one of them died.

I cannot find Thomas on any home child passenger list, so he might have gone private passage but who would have chaperoned him to Canada.

Wish i could find their marriage cert to see if she had anymore children as they started to put mothers maiden name after 1913. If only we could find some baptism records for the Smiths at Byron Street, a marriage or death would just slot it all together.
But you have been absolutely brilliant, thanks so very much i am truy grateful for your input
Take care
dawnex

[simone]

births

Jun q 1896
Annie Smith Macclesfield 8a 120

sep q 1897
Annie Smith Macclesfield 8a 139

[dawnelyndadawe]

births

Jun q 1896
Annie Smith Macclesfield 8a 120

sep q 1897
Annie Smith Macclesfield 8a 139

no marriage for Samuel or emma and also no death

Well done for those two births

[simone]

possible birth for Emma in 1909
Jun q 1909 Macclesfield 8a 139...she would still be 1 in 1911 if her birthday fell after the census date.

Jun q 1907 Macclesfield
Samuel Cliff Smith 8a 119

Sep q 1907 Macclesfield
Sam Smith 8a 127

still can only find the Thomas Edward one in 1899 that I posted earlier as a possible for Thomas

[simone]

no marriage for Samuel or emma and also no death

Well done for those two births

maybe they all did a flit

[simone]

Only marriage I can see is Samuel Smith to Emma Mort in 1897 at Ashton 8d 807, which is about 20 miles from Macclesfield.

There is an Emma Mort b c 1870 living at Edge (Alderley Edge?) in 1891, in service, and with her parents William and Charlotte in 1881, but she says born Shocklach Alderley Edge is only some 6 miles from Macclesfield. Only thing is she is too old.

I suppose it's not impossible, she has moved nearer to Macclesfield. Perhaps her birthplace on later census as Macclesfield after marriage is a mistake

Simone x

[simone]

There are a number of possible deaths if Samuel went on to live a long time... and this one if he stayed in Macclesfied


Samuel Smith
Birth Date:abt 1874
Date of Registration:
Jan-Feb-Mar 1956
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Macclesfield
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 10a
Page 496


but why wouldn't Thomas stay with him


Emma Smith
Birth Date: abt 1877
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1962
Age at Death: 85
Registration district: Macclesfield
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 10a
Page: 492

[dawnelyndadawe]

There are a number of possible deaths if Samuel went on to live a long time... and this one if he stayed in Macclesfied


Samuel Smith
Birth Date:abt 1874
Date of Registration:
Jan-Feb-Mar 1956
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Macclesfield
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 10a
Page 496


but why wouldn't Thomas stay with him


Emma Smith
Birth Date: abt 1877
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1962
Age at Death: 85
Registration district: Macclesfield
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 10a
Page: 492

on Thomas Smith marriage certiciate to my grandmother Janet Lydia Evans April 1929 he states father is Samuel Smith Labourer and deceased. Thomas came back from Canada obviously that is why i am here!! in about 1924 i would say, as i have records of him joining the Merchants Navy. Unless then he went back to his old home to see what family were left and found out his father had died then.
Maybe Samuel went to war and got killed he would have been 34 Emma was left with the children maybe more by 1911,12,13 and could not cope and sent the other two off.
We must remember at this time the WW1 it took so many of our young men, and having 6,7 or 8 kids did not make an excuse

You have done a brilliant job however and i thank you from the bottom of my heart. If we crack this champagne all around. Even my girls ask daily, hows it going mum, my sisters also phone me daily as it is just such a family mystery and really a secret as my grandfather would not say anything of his past.

[Hilary]

Have you found him on the incoming shipping lists to the UK?

Is his seaman's card one with lots of details ? Does it give the names of the ships he was on and if it does have you checked the crew lists for those ships to see if there are any more details that could help?