Haswell help needed

Post by **simone** » 21 Oct 2009 08:38

looks like Josiah died Jun q 1839

Post by **colette** » 21 Oct 2009 09:43

Hi Simone Maria was the daughter of John Haswell ,,think that John maybe the brother of Wiliam, Charles & Harriet..

As a Charles Haswell & Ann Almond had Charles 1810 Lpool John 1813 Chester Harriet 1815 Chester William 1818 Chester & Sarah 1823 Chester .. Charles dies 1829 and Ann remarries a Humphrey Gaulton st John Chester...he then does and Ann moves over to Pleasant St Lpool to be with her kids..she then dies 1841 and is buried back in Chester..

Sarah i know nothing about she could even be Samuels mother..of he is connected with Liverpool i think its through this family..as i said before its the names he gives his children Harriet Charles William etc its the fact he lived in the next street to Harriet.

So i dont want to dismiss this family completly.

As you say it is possible he was from the Newcastle area and came to Liverpool very young.

I want to know who little Harriet Haswell was she died July 1864 at Lissant St..where Harriet Higginson was living.. Samuels wife died 1864 May at Back Myers St the next street.
I was thinking she was Samuel and Elizabeths daughter you see..if so then he would be connected to these Haswell's.

Might work on this Sarah Haswell born 1823 Chester. the sister of Harriet,William & Charles..this would be the only family he had..

Someone on Ancestry public member trees has Samuel Charles Haswell b 1841 Liverpool.. but they have no other members in their tree..i have contacted him to ask how he knows he had Charles as a middle name..

I might try again...

xx

Post by **42aitch** » 24 Oct 2009 22:19

Hope this helps, the full details of the Marriage at St Stephens.

10.6.1860 Samuel Haswell - 20 - bachelor - Ropemaker of Smithdown Lane - Father Robert Haswell - Ropemaker to
Elizabeth Hanley - 19 - Spinster of Beacon Place - Father Robert Hanley - Stone Gelter?
After Bann by James L Cotter
Witnesses Charles Grant and Mary Ann Bagnall
Samuel and Mary Ann signed other made X

Eileen

Post by **colette** » 24 Oct 2009 23:22

Hi

I am flumex now as i have a Joseph Hanley as Elziabeths father

She even names her first son Joseph..

1841 Blucher St Tox

Elizabeth Hanley 40 b Lanvs
Joseph Hanley 30 Labourer not b Lancs
Mary Hanley age 20 b Lancs
Elizabeth hanley 1 b Lancs
Henry Hanley 1 Month b Lancs

1851 5 Blucher St Tox

Robert Corf age 27 b West Derby Labourer
Wife Mary age 31 b Walton
Dau Elizabeth Hanley aged 10 b Lpool
Son John Hanley age 8 b Lpool

Marriage Joseph Hanley..Mary Apinall Walton St Mary 1838

I think she has put Robert the stepdad and her fathers surname..odd...

Thanks Hun xx

Post by **simone** » 24 Oct 2009 23:26

Hi

Looks like Charle Grant, b Ireland c 1839 was a ropemaker too. He is lodging in 1861 with the King family at Oliver Street, West Derby
RG09 Piece:2733 Folio:88 Page:12

Could be Mary Bagnall at 24 Sydney Place, West Derby
b Ireland c 1837, with husband Jamesa Tailor b Ireland c 1840, and their son James R Bagnall age 4 months, b Liverpool
RG09 Piece:2733 Folio:16 Page:26

wonder if tey married in Liverpool, could she ne a Halsall, can't see a marriage straight off

Simone x

Post by **simone** » 24 Oct 2009 23:39

Hi Col

Wonder if when asked for father's name she has just said Robert and the priest has just assumed Hanley and written it down

Simone x

Post by **colette** » 24 Oct 2009 23:50

Hi so Charles Grant was a work mate by the looks of it..

Can't find Elizabeth's mother and Robert in 1861..

seem to get no luck on this one..I bet he was lodging in Smithdown Rd when he married..so i doubt that will help us..and we dont have a house number do we..

Post by **MaryA** » 25 Oct 2009 08:10

colette wrote: Can't find Elizabeth's mother and Robert in 1861..

There are deaths -
Mary Corf_ Q3 1859 West Derby 8b 62_
and also
Mary Corfe Q1 1860 Liverpool 8b 110

and
Robert Corf Q2 1855 Liverpool 8b 1_

and of course a number of possibles for young John since birthdates weren't given at that time.

Post by **simone** » 25 Oct 2009 09:46

Hi

I have been all the way through Smithdown Lane and Smithdown Road in 1861 but can't see anyone connected

Simone x

Post by **MaryA** » 25 Oct 2009 17:35

I noticed that Elizabeth Hanley's address at marriage was Beacon Place, would this be near Beacon Lane? I noticed a couple of pictures in the YouTube link Colette posted
http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=8110

Post by **Carol1953** » 25 Oct 2009 21:17

Can I say a big thank you

to everyone for all your help.
My darling Grandson who shares everything gave me this horrible cold virus which put me in bed for a few days.
Looking through I tend to believe the course Colette is going through is the right one the family names through the generation repeat. I also think Harriet who died 6 months was Samuel and Elizabeths daughter.
So its either a Marriage for William or Sarah had an illegitimate daughter.
Again Thank you
Carol

Post by **Carol1953** » 25 Oct 2009 22:08

I looked up Ann Goulton death Dec Q 1841 so thought I would try and find her 1841. On normal search no Anne so did a broad search on Goulting only and found an Ann Goldining? 60 widow Ind not Lancs with Samuel 6 not Lancs in Wolfe St Toxteth could this be our Samuel?

Post by **colette** » 25 Oct 2009 23:20

Hi Carol Ann Gaulton is in Liverpool with Harriet Higginson her daughter and her two sons William & Charles at Pleasant St.

Key in Harriet Higginson and hubby John and you will see above them Ann Gaulton.

She dies late 1841..I guess one way of knowing for sure if Samuel was connected to these Haswell's is to buy the little girl Harriets death cert., or birth cert..
If it turns out shes not Samuel's then i guess we are back to square 1..

But i would give it a try as nothing else seems to make any progress regarding finding were he came from..you never know Harriet Higginson may have registered the death..

Deaths Sep 1864
Haswell Harriet W.Derby 8b 420

We know she was 6 months old so this is her birth ref..

Births Dec 1863
HASWELL Harriet W Derby 8b 520

Post by **colette** » 25 Oct 2009 23:49

Just wondering have you ever found the birth or baptism of Joseph Haswell, Samuel & Elizabeth's first child..i cannot see a birth reg for him at all under Haswell, or Hanley.. even tried Corf just incase hes not their son but Elizabeths brother.. as her mum would only be 41 in 1861..so you never know.

Could just be he wasnt registered..

Post by **Carol1953** » 27 Oct 2009 18:12

Hi Collete
No cannot find birth either but seem to think this was not Samuels maybe he was given his Fathers name
Carol

Post by **colette** » 27 Oct 2009 20:36

Hi Carol

Can't even find a death for him..are you gonna take a punt and get little Harriet Haswells death cert.. if she turns out not to be Samuels' we can leave that Haswell family alone..

I cant really think of what else we can do.. still not sure of this so called Robert as a dad...funny as they never had a son named Robert.. normaly you would name the first son after the mans father.. so i guess Joseph wasnt Samuel's...

The next son to come along was named Charles..what was Eliza Clarks fathers name ?? i see a Thomas & Esther and a John & Eliza with a daughter Eliza Clark born Limehouse MSEX..in 1851 on the in 1861 census....so i am wondering why they called the first son Charles

xx

Post by **Carol1953** » 29 Oct 2009 21:45

Hi Colette
Going to order this weekend so fingers crossed. Eliza differs her age on all census records so not sure yet whom is her father. I agree usually the fathers name is one of the children and it is strange he never called any of his children Robert nor did further generations.
Carol

Post by **colette** » 29 Oct 2009 22:32

Good girl fingers crossed.. if little Harriet isnt his its back to the drawing board.. but if she is.. with Lissant St..being were she died as we know well i recon they are connected..

WE have nothing else to go on we have drained this completly

xx

Post by **simone** » 30 Oct 2009 09:13

Hi

Sorry, been reading through again

Have we got the witnesses from his marriage to Eliza, have I missed it somewhere

I know we got them for the 1860 marriage to Elizabeth.

Thanks

Simone x

Post by **colette** » 30 Oct 2009 12:18

Hi Simone

Dont think Carol has the marriage cert..theres someone on Ancestrys Public Members Trees who has the date of the marriage.. i have contacted them twice now. as they must have the cert but no reply.. they also call Samuel.. Samuel Charles Haswell

i have aksed how they know he was a Charles....

Even been searching 1841 & 1851 under Charles no surname b Lpool c 1841 just incase..

This little girl could be the clue Hariret Haswell she sied age 6 months in 1864 July at 24 Lissant St.
Elizabeth Samuels first wife dies 1864 May at Back Myers St.. the street behind Lissant St..

Also in 1861 at 20 Lissant St was John & Harriet Higginson nee Haswell poss Aunty to this little Harriet....with Samuel living so close..thats why i am thinking theres a connection.

From what i can find

Charles Haswell b 1775 & Ann Almond b c1790
marriage 1811 St James Lpool

kids

Charles Almond Haswell 1809 St Johns Old Haymarket Lpool

John Haswell 1813 St John Chester

Harriet Haswell 1815 Chester

William Haswell 1818 Chester

just found a Peggy Haswell 1827 Chester the late Charles Haswell & Ann Charles did die in 1827

Ann remarried Humphrey Gaulton in 1829..

Need to find out what happened to Peggy as i dont see a burial on the Cheshire records for her..

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