Help to find William Molyneux 1841 and 1851 census please

[colette]

Hi Sue thats a good idea to confirm Elizabeths surname.. but as we cannot find them in 1851.. they may have had kids who didn't make it. Then we see them in 1861 with two kids and miss them again in 1871 when Elizabeth could have had another couple of kids.. so the 1849 marriage maybe the right one after all.

Its a mystery as to were they are in 51 & 71 i can only think they are totaly written down wrong..i found my Great Grandfather under a totaly wrong name in 1901..his birth place was half right so thought i would take a look at this man... turned out to be him in the same road as my Great Gran lived.. they married a couple of years later..

So other than going through every William born c 1824..i dont know what else to suggest.. I checked the 1854 Directory online at Historical directories and hes not listed..

John's Birth Cert may help with an address

Regards

[colette]

Hi Sue i was curious about a William Molyneux born 1864 baptised All Souls Eaton St.. which was next to Gascoyne St..father William mother Elizabeth..

Didnt realise the online Parish clerk had All Souls Baptisms so struck lucky really.......

Baptism: 13 May 1864 All Souls, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Molyneux - Child of William Molyneux & Elizabeth
Abode: 4 Court Northampton St
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: T Meadows
Register: Baptisms 1854 - 1884 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Entry 592
Source: LDS Film 1068892


There are a couple of deaths one might be him..seen as though hes not with them in 1881.


Deaths Jun 1864 (>99%)
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MOLYNEUX William Liverpool 8b 92

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Deaths Dec 1865 (>99%)
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Molyneux William Liverpool 8b 206

Regards

[colette]

Hi

After going right through Northampton St i cannot see 4 court i see in this order

5 Ct .. 7 Ct..11 Ct...13 Ct..15 Ct... and 2 Ct.. its district 18 Dale St Ward 1871.

I checked district 17 & 19 too and no Northampton St amogst those.. so either half the courts are missing or they are part of another district .. could it be half the street was under the Howard St district.. as i can't think of what else to do ????..

Regards

[colette]

Hi

I have now checked the streets around Northampton St in the Howard St Ward.. IE Banastre St.. and still cannot see the rest of Northampton St.. Personaly i think parts are missing which would explain why William & Elizabeth are not showing up..Its since i saw son William's baptism 1864 it made me think they could very well still have been there in 1871

Regards

[slewis]

Hi Colette
Sorry I didn't get back to you befor now, thank you so much for sticking with it and looking at all the census, (its not much fun I know ) and finding that Baptism for William was great, I just hope John birth cert dosent take for ever but I will let you know what it says.
Thank you so much Colette for all your help
Kind regards Sue

[slewis]

Hi Colette
I have now got John molyneux birth cert, born 14 Dec 1853 his mothers name was Elizabeth Marsh father William Marsh a Rigger, and they lived at 4 Northampton street.
I still can not find a marriage for William and Elizabeth.
Kind regard Sue

[MaryA]

The birth certificate doesn't say Elizabeth Marsh - formerly ??

[slewis]

Hi Mary
Sorry its me not with it today, got dads name wrong too
The certificat say's 14 Dec 1853 boy John, father William Molyneux mother Elizabeth Molyneux formerly Marsh
Sue

[MaryA]

William Molineux married Elizabeth Marsh/Davies Liverpool, St. John in 1852. December Quarter - Liverpool 8b 199.

It would seem that he married Elizabeth Davies who must have been a widow with a maiden name of Marsh.

[slewis]

Mary
What a star you are thank you so much, I really do apreciate all your help, so it look's like another marriage look up or certificate
Thanks again kind regards
Sue

[MaryA]

At least you have the church so hopefully it will avoid paying out for the cert.

[slewis]

Hi
Eileen was very kind and looked up William and Elizabeths marriage recored for me
St Johns - 12 December 1852 William Molineux - 29 - Widower - Fisherman of Northampton Street - son of John Molineux - Fisherman
to Elizabeth Davies - 25 - Widow of Northampton Street - Daughter of Henry Marsh - Carter

So William was a Widower occupation he is a Fisherman, not a Rigger so I guess this could be why we could not find him on the 1851 census, not that I can now but hey thats no suprise.
I think Colette found him in 1841 with mother Ellen, and the marriage for
Ellen and John Molyneux
I would like to thank you all for your help with this topic
Kind regards Sue

[42aitch]

Hi Sue

I have sent you via your e-mail, a photo of the original register for William Molineux - Elizabeth Davies(Marsh) and hope that it is helpful for your records.

Glad that I could Help.


I have also sent the McKenna-Bleakey photo.

Eileen

[slewis]

Hi Eileen
Your a star, thank you so much for the photo's I really appreciate all your help.
Kind regards Sue

[NikiW]

Hi in 1881

William & Elizabeth are living with their daughter and husband in Gascoyne St

George Sutton age 33 b Lpool Carter
Elizabeth Ann age 25 b Lpool b 1856
Dau Charlotte age 3
Son William age 1

George Sutton's parents were John & Charlotte, George & Elizabeth Ann married in 1877.

Regards

Hi colette,

Just joined the site to help me with my own family history research, and found here a relevant reference - "Son William aged 1" was my granddad, William Sutton. And this info you provided has helped hubby and I fill out another little bit of my tree, the names and dates were exactly the pointers we needed, we had Granddad's parents, but not his grandparents. So thank you for that!

Need to ask, what is the source of your info, as the age we have for George Sutton (my great granddad) is 38 at the time of the 1881 census, not 33.

Had a look on Google maps, and Gascoyne Street is all industrial now, but still cobbled, so my granddad might have played on those cobbles!

Niki

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

I believe that Colette transcribed the census from the image rather than from the transcription, as she should, George's age appears to be 33.

[NikiW]

Thanks MaryA