ARTHUR ROBINSON

[simone]

wonder if Arthur wasn't Thomas' , perhaps Emma married before. Perhaps he made Thomas up Been hunting but nothing concrete

[Hilary]

New thought

You could apply to the GRO for a birth certificate giving his date of birth and parents names and father's occupation with no reference numbers or place. They will then just search under the date of birth and I believe if they find nothing will refund your money.

[simone]

wonder about this family

Thoms Hinton married Emma Robinson at St Nicholas in 1872.

In 1881 they are at 54 Oakfield Road Walton on the Hill, but have a 13 year old Arthur Hinton with them who is born in same place as his mother .
RG11; Piece: 3686; Folio: 58; Page: 39

Thomas Hinton 52 b Newcastle Staffordshire, freight clerk
Emma Hinton 30 b Market Raisen, Lincolnshire
Arthur Hinton 13 b Market Raisen, Lincolnshire
Hector Hinton 9 b Boston, Lincolnshire
Thomas Hinton 8 b Liverpool
Henry Hinton 6 b Liverpool
Emma Hinton 4 b Liverpool
Charles Hinton 2 b Liverpool

1891- Arthur no longer with family
RG12; Piece: 2953; Folio: 103; Page: 14
32 Boyd Street, Everton
Thomas Hinton 63
Emma Hinton 47
Thomas Hinton 19
Harry Hinton 17
Clara Hinton 15
Annie Frances Hinton 6

going back to 1871 I think Thomas Hinton is with his first wife Ann, but no sign of an Arthur with them.
23 Thirlmere Road, Everton
RG10; Piece: 3820; Folio: 91; Page: 18
Thos Hinton 44 b Newcastle, Staffordshire, commercial traveller
Ann Hinton 45 b Sheffield Yorkshire
Edwd Hinton 57.. should be 17, b Manchester
Wm Hinton 15 b Manchester
Saml Hinton 13 bManchester
Emma Hinton 9 b Liverpool
Maria Holdren 33 b Manchester, sister

ALSO in 1871.. Emma Robinson b Market Raisen is lodging next door but one at 25 Thirlmere Road, with Samuel and Deborah Middleton (flick over onto next image page ) She is 22 and married.. no sign of hubby or Arthur

What if Arthur is hers then and he married in his true name of Robinson and when asked father's name just said Thomas. Or did she really have a first husband with name of Thomas.

What does anyone think

Simone x

[simone]

Can't see any Arthur Hinton birth's that fit, but a couple of possibles for Arthur Robinson in Lincolshire areas

[simone]

The marriage is on Ancestry
15 Jan 1872
Thomas Hinton, full age, widower, warehouseman, Virgil Street, father William Hinton, cabainet maker.
Emma Robinson, full age, spinster, Hornby Street, father Robert Robinson, Chemist
witnesses William Jones and Amie Geating?

so why is Emma saying she is married on 1871 census.. something to hide maybe? like a pregnancy or child or 2

Simone x

[simone]

There is an Arthur Robinson b c 1869 at Market Rasen is living with the Booth family in 1871, but he is still with them in 1881, so can't be the same one as with Emma in 1881
1871 at Market Rasen
RG10; Piece: 3423; Folio: 19; Page: 34
William Booth 49 labourer, b Willingham
Susannah Booth 51 b Sudford?
Mary Robinson 25 b Willingham daur
Charlotte Robinson 19 b Willingham daur
Eliza Robinson 12 b Willingham daur
Arthur Robinson 2 b Market Rasen, son

1881
RG11; Piece: 3281; Folio: 62; Page: 34
William Booth 60
Susan Booth 62
Elizabeth Booth 22
Arthur Booth 12
David Booth 4

This is prob all a wild goose chase anyway Arthur states dad is deceased in 1891 when he marries and Thomas Hinton still around
was worth a try but need something more concrete



Simone x

[Bertieone]

Interesting theory Simone,


UK Passenger incoming,
1920,
Third class British Passenger list,

Ship, Oriana, Pacific Steam Ship Navigation Company.

Port of Departure, Valparaiso, Chile.

Arthur Robinson, 48,
16 Travers st, Liverpool.
Job, Greaser,





Bert.

[Bertieone]

Hi,

On the Catholic marriage cert, the addresses given for Arthur is 11 Bangor St, Rose's given address is 16 Slade St. On the Certified cert the addresses for both appear to be Tatlock St (bad image) which happens to be Rose's parents address, 1891 census.
Same witnesses on both.
Why are the addresses different?



Bert

[MaryA]

Possible reason.

The church certificate will have been completed by the priest. If they both lived in the same parish the cost of having the Banns called would have been for one church only, rather than perhaps two.

The Certified Certificate will have been completed by the Registrar who would have attended the ceremony. He may have been more particular in asking where each were living at the time, or perhaps being three or four weeks after they had been asked by the priest they didn't think of the discrepancy when answering the Registrar.

[Bertieone]

Thank you, Mary,

[willowart1]

Hi everyone,
I went to Liverpool BMD Registrars , and also GRO in Southport 1871, and 1872 but to no avail, I have heard
that he may have come from Scotland, either Inverness or Oban. 1881 (?) I have seen Arthur Robinson down as a visitor in Halewood House Wood Lane , Halewood, Lancashire, living with the Melluish family, piece3720, folio 18, page number30,
Time to move on to something else that is giving me a headache.
Benjamin Henry Haynes, and his wife Claria Chrisbeck,(Lauger)

Benjamin was born 1832 in Upper Canada, St Catherines, Ontario 1871 census he was living in liverpool.
and it states he was married to Claria Lauger , she was born in Prussia in 1837, their first child Mary Ann born 1868, I have birth cert of their second child which shows Lewis Henry Haynes 1870 stating his mothers name as Chrisbeck, living at 6 Spring Place Liverpool in 1873, in 1891 census they lived in Montague road Liverpool, 1901 census they lived in Back Lane, West Derby, Liverpool till his death in 1912 1911 census it states he was a BS through parentage Clara was also a BS, does anyone have any ideas how i may get their parents details , I have been in touch with the local authoritys in Upper Canada but their census for that period have not been published yet, Claria is a whole different ball game where do I start. June member no. 8381

[MaryA]

I think a new query deserves a new post please. Also it would be beneficial if you would give the full details from the census, including what is given for their birthplaces and ages. As you have the details from the 1911 census, please also give the number of years they give as having been married.

[Bertieone]

Hi June,

I can see where Chrisbeck comes from, (formally, name on birth cert)
Lauger???

It might be a benefit to you if you joined a German forum, local knowledge and all that,

http://forum.genealogy.net/index.php

PS, don't have a username like Monty or Winston

[MaryA]

PS, don't have a username like Monty or Winston

We do get em don't we

Another good forum for Germany is http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.ph ... 135.0.html The Moderator is, I believe, living in Germany