Edward Alderman Bailey DILLON

[simone]

now I'm not accusing anyone
1881
RG11; Piece: 3942; Folio: 124; Page: 24
Summerfield, Salford
William H. Bailey 42 Alderman Electrician & Hydrlc Enginr Touret Clock Maker Employ From 200 To 300 M, b Salford
Jane D. Bailey 36 b London
Alfred J. Bailey 13 b Salford
William A. Bailey 12 b Pendleton
Harry D. Bailey 10 "
Florence M. Bailey 8 "
Maud E. Bailey 7 "
Percy D. Bailey 4 "
Frederick M. Bailey 3 "
Fanny L. Cox 35 sister in law widow b Liverpool
Annie Plummer 22 servant b Nottinghamshire
Ada Marsden 18 nurse b Bakewell, Derbyshire

[dickiesam]

Hi Simone,
This now reminds me of "Over the garden wall" with Norman Evans..... and more recently the late Les Dawson.
http://youtu.be/tROn6LOvPAY

Alderman William Bailey could be a prime candidate.. major employer and an Alderman to boot. He already had 7 children living.

[simone]

by 1901 this cahp is living at Sale Old Hall and has been Knighted

RG13; Piece: 3325; Folio: 39; Page: 5

[dickiesam]

by 1901 this cahp is living at Sale Old Hall and has been Knighted

RG13; Piece: 3325; Folio: 39; Page: 5

Even more interesting!

[simone]

Hi Simone,
This now reminds me of "Over the garden wall" with Norman Evans..... and more recently the late Les Dawson.
http://youtu.be/tROn6LOvPAY

Alderman William Bailey could be a prime candidate.. major employer and an Alderman to boot. He already had 7 children living.

lol Brian


in 1891 he still in Salford at Summerfield
RG12; Piece: 3204; Folio: 41; Page: 13
William H Bailey 52
Jane D Bailey 46
Alfred J Bailey 23
William A Bailey 22
Charles S D Bailey 9
Annie Eden 27
Emma Eden 24
wonder if any Edward's born with any of these servants names in the 1881 and 1891 census? and are any of them connected to the Dillons? or could the sister in law be a clue

Writing my own novel now

got to go... back later

[dickiesam]

Could be a wild goose chase.... but been on a few in my time.

Background:
Marriage: BAILEY, William Henry
Registration district: Barton upon Irwell, Lancashire
Year/qtr of registration: 1865 / Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume no: 8C; Page no: 553.
William Henry Bailey married married one of the following people: BROOKES, Alice or DORNING, Jane Dearden
Dorning matches the entry in 1881 from Simone.

And the sister-in-law....
Marriage: DORNING, Fanny Louisa
Registration district: Manchester.
Year/qtr of registration: 1868 / Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume no: 8D; Page no: 398.
Fanny Louisa Dorning appears to have married COX, Henry Blackford.

1871:
COX, Henry Blackford - Head - 34 - 1837 - Wine merchant - Leeds, Yorkshire.
COX, Fanny - Wife - 24 - 1847 - Liverpool, Lancashire.
CADWALLDER, Mary - Servant - 29 - 1842 - Servant - Bilston, Shropshire
DEARDEN, Annie - Visitor - 22 - 1849 - Annuitant - Manchester, Lancashire
Address: Abbey Grove, Barton Upon Irwell, Lancashire.
Piece:3969 - Folio: 28 - Page:49

Annie Dearden is a rellie. Jane Bailey nee Dorning has a second forename Dearden.

Death: COX, Henry Blackford
Registration district: Chorlton, Lancashire
Year/qtr of registration: 1880 / Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death:43
Volume no: 8C; Page no: 425.

[simone]

hmmmm interesting Chorlton eh....

just dipping in and out here in between doing other things... wish I could get stuck in

it also occurred to me that given the ages of the Dillon's when Edward was born, then they may be grandparents
added later - take no notice of that.. he was born in 1870 wasn't he, for some reason I was thinking 1884 for a minute! they would be too young to be grandparents

will digest what you have found a bit later Brian... but looks good doesn't it...
just need something to prove it all

[simone]

there's an Edward Dorning birth reg in Salford in dec q 1885.... will try and track him
see my mad moment above.. ignore this suggestion

no he seems to be around on all census with parents William H and Sarh Dorning

[dickiesam]

there's an Edward Dorning birth reg in Salford in dec q 1885.... will try and track him

no he seems to be around on all census with parents William H and Sarh Dorning

If Edward was the result of a 'brief encounter' between William Henry and an unknown lady, I'd say the odds are she was outside the family completely perhaps someone who worked for him. Given his social standing it is very unlikely his wife and family were ever aware of his fathering a child outside the family unit. The mother may have given up the child for fostering almost immediately and that is where the Dillons appear in the story.

Such circumstances are not at all unusual. My paternal g.g.mother, aged 52 and a widow, 'took in' a baby girl that had been born to a 14 year-old 'live-in' domestic servant in 1892. The father was almost certain to have been one of two middle-aged brothers who were her employers. My g.g.mother raised that child as though she was her own. Oddly when the girl had married she gave her first son a first name that was the same first name as one of the brothers. I think my g.g.mother knew who the father was and he had paid an 'allowance' towards her upbringing.

[MaryA]

I'm loving the thought of a little bit of scandal. I wondered about 1871, being so close to Edward's birth whether there was somebody around - working maybe, but I can't find the Baileys, anybody any luck?

In 1861 the Dornings are in 45 Berwick Street, Chorlton Upon Medlock, the father Joseph is an Engineer as is the oldest son Joseph, both born in Hulme and Harriett the wife born Salford, daughter Ann born in Chorlton, but the next two Harriett and Jane D were born in London, the last child Fanny H born in Liverpool. It's no help though is it?

[simone]

1871 census
RG10; Piece: 4012; Folio: 58; Page: 18

William H Biley 33
Jane Biley 25
Alfred J Biley 3
William F Biley 2
Harry D Biley 6 Months
Hannah Longworth 11 nurse

I'll do correction to Anc re Biley/Bailey

still reckon Alderman Bailey of Manchester is prime candidate, although mother could any of his 300 employees

[MaryA]

I think you are right, hope Domingo pops up soon and shares his thoughts with us.

[simone]

http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/William_H._Bailey

a mention here in info about his dad

http://www.weasteheritagetrail.co.uk/sa ... bailey.htm

[simone]

The birth date of 31/7/1870 is on the baptism certificate, but it may not be right

wonder if any family resemblance in that picture I posted

[simone]

1881 census.. take it this is the couple you think are parents
RG11; Piece: 4015; Folio: 13; Page: 19
living in Bradford
Edward Dillon 48 foreman in chemical works, b Manchester
Sarah A. Dillon 44 b Manchester

1891
Sarah a widow in Manchester

going back to the Dillon's.. I wonder if this is them before Edward has risen to position of Foreman in the chemical factory
1871 census at Gorton/Chorlton, 160 Thomas? Street
RG10; Piece: 3981; Folio: 54; Page: 53
Edward Dillow 39 b Ireland on this census furnaceman Ironworks
Sarah A Dillow 34 b Manchester

[MaryA]

Good one Simone - no children there!

[simone]

struggling to tie up in 1861.. but did wonder about this family in 1861 Chorlton


RG 9; Piece: 2881; Folio: 102; Page: 8
Edwd McMillan 44 cotton porter born Ireland
Mary McMillan 44 b Bolton
Charles McMillan 18 b Manchester factory labourere
Sarah McMillan 15 b Manchester, maker up
Francis McMillan 12 b Manchester

Sarah is about 9 years too young, but could she have been fibbing about her age a little later on when she met Edward Dillon..
Could she have named baby after her father?

trying to trace this family in 1871.. can't find Sarah... is that because she is with Edward Dillon.. and if she has had a baby where is he? I am thinking that the Dillons have taken someone else's child as their own a bit later on or maybe Edward Dillon has taken an employee under his wing

found Charles with wife Hannah and his inlaws John and Mary Brown at Chorlton
RG10; Piece: 3992; Folio: 75; Page: 3
he is a Striker...
could he be one of Alderman Bailey's many employees

Francis lodging in Hulme with the Warburton family,
RG10; Piece: 3995; Folio: 19; Page: 32
he is a 'Stiffener'

The Dillon's appear to be a childless couple, so perfect fit to bring up someone's elses secret.. especially if they wanted children... maybe they left Edward off the census on purpose no questions asked

Alderman Bailey could have well known Edward Dillon given Edward's position as Foreman of a Chemical factory

Edward is told at some point who is real father is and the naming of Alderman Bailey at marriage is his way of legitimising and acknowledging that he knows his roots?

so many question still

Simone x

[dickiesam]

So... Is this story a Barbara Cartland style or one by Daphne Du Maurier? Come to think of it Charles Dickens could have definitely used it in one of his books.

[simone]

Noooo it's a 'Whodunnit' and I reckon it was the Alderman

[MaryA]

I reckon so too!