Death dates wanted

[daggers]

Sudley House in Mossley Hill was occupied by a pair of unmarried sisters, Ellen and Cicely Robinson, before George Holt bought it in 1883.
I cannot find either of them in the 1861 or 1881 census.
A website from the Museum states that they died in 1883 and I cannot find them on FreeBMD, even allowing for age slippage. In 1851 Ellen was 48, Cicely 46.
Can anyone please throw any light on them?
Daggers

[erika]

Hi daggers

Not sure if this could be Ellen Robinson, as birth year is given as abt 1809
However death record is Apr qtr 1884 Liverpool 8b 63

You've probably discounted this already!!

[Hilary]

Cicely died 20 Oct 1877. She's in the probate index

Probate 19 March 1878 Liverpool
The will of Cicely Robinson late of Sudley Aigburth near Liverpool died 20 oct 1877 at Sudely proved by sister Ellen spinster and brother Charles Backhouse Robinson of Frankto Grange near Shrewsbury

Effects under £50000

Death Registration West Derby Dec Q 1877 vol 8b page 413

[Hilary]

Ellen Robinson died 28 Feb 1880 she also left a will

Probate Liverpool 15 March 1880 Ellen late of Sudly died at Sudly 28 Feb 1880 proved by Charles Backhouse Robinson brother and Walter Powell Jeffreys of Henllys nr Llandovery esquire the executors

Estate under £60,00

I've abbreviated this and her sisters actual entries in the probate index to the main points.

Death registered Mar Q 1880 West Derby 8b page 437

[dickiesam]

Trying to find Ellen and Cicely in censuses without success so far, but... did find their younger brother Charles Backhouse Robinson in 1881 at:
RG11 - Piece: 2664 - Folio: 57 - Page: 16
Address: Frankton Grange, Ellesmere, Shropshire.

From that found him in 1851:
ROBINSON, Charles B - Head - Married - 44 - Sculptor - Liverpool, Lancashire
ROBINSON, Euphemia - Wife - 37 - Scotland
ROBINSON, Agnes - Dtr - 10 - Scholar - Liverpool, Lancashire
ROBINSON, Nicholas - Son - 8 - Scholar - Liverpool, Lancashire
ROBINSON, Edward C - Son - 2 - Liverpool, Lancashire
GRAY, Jane Anne - Sister - 32 - Dependant - Scotland [doesn't say if married or single. Suspect widow?]
JONES, Elizabeth - Servant - U/m - 36 - Cook - Wales
DRUMMOND, Mary - Servant - U/m - 24 - House Maid - Scotland
LIDDELL, Mary Anne - Servant - U/m - 24 - Nurse - Scotland
Address: 102 Chatham Street, Liverpool.
HO107 - Piece: 2183 - Folio: 531 - Page: 3

[daggers]

Brilliant work. Thanks all round.
D

[dickiesam]

Found the sisters in 1851!

ROBINSON, Nicholas - Head - Widower - 81 - Retired Merchant - Whitby, Yorkshire
ROBINSON, Ellen - Dtr - U/m - 48 - Retired Merchant Daughter - Liverpool
ROBINSON, Cicely - Dtr - U/m - 46 - Retired Merchant Daughter - Liverpool.
TRIBE, Catharine - Servant - U/m - 30 - Servant - Shoreham, Sussex.
WHITE, Alies - Servant - U/m - 24 - Newton, Lancashire
ROBERTSON, Agnes - Servant - U/m - 38 - Orton, Westmorland
FLAVELL, Elizabeth - Servant - U/m - 16 - Wavertree, Lancashire
KIMPBALL, Catharine - Servant - U/m - 27 - Liverpool, Lancashire
KEABLE, James - Servant - U/m - 26 - Herrington, Suffolk
Address: Sudley Road, Garston, Lancashire
HO107 - Piece: 2192 - Folio: 1130 - Page: 8

[dickiesam]

Looks like Charles got the money etc when the father died in the 1850s... and put the sculpting tools in the shed.
1861:
ROBINSON, Charles B - Head - Married - 54 - Landed Proprietor and Fund Holder - Liverpool.
Address: South Bank Road, Garston, Lancashire
RG09 - Piece: 2738 - Folio: 142 - Page: 27

So where are his older sisters?

[dickiesam]

No luck in 1861 or 1871 but here they are in 1841:

ROBINSON, Nicholas - 70 - Merchant.
ROBINSON, Ann - 40 - Lancashire
ROBINSON, Ellen - 35 - Lancashire
ROBINSON, Cicely - 30 - Lancashire
THORPE, Thomas - 20
SMITH, Rosanna - 60 - Lancashire
HORSFALL, Mary - 25 - Lancashire
WHITE, Elizabeth - 20 - Lancashire
WILSON, Margaret - 20 - Scotland
Address: Bath Villa, Childwall, Garston, Lancashire.
HO107 - Piece: 511 - Book/Folio: 5/45 - Page: 9

[daggers]

Perhaps spending money or time abroad?