Looking for George Clarke and Mary Clarke nee Holloran

[silv cook]

my grandfather signed his wedding certificate as JAMES MARTIN CLARKE and his death certificate also but his B/C just says james clarke

[dickiesam]

i have a birth certificate for john robert clarke born 30 /01/ 1874 thats different to the one you have dickiesam thats got mary holloran and george clarke on

Hi Silvia,
My mistake! Misread the YoB. This will be the right one then?
Births Mar 1874: CLARKE, John Robert - Prescott - 8b - 625.

What is the home address for the parents and what is the father's occupation? Interesting that the boy's middle name is that of the paternal g.father Clarke.

[simone]

hmm, there's a Farnworth at Bolton too isn't there? is there any address on John Robert's birth cert or does it just say Farnworth?

[dickiesam]

my grandfather signed his wedding certificate as JAMES MARTIN CLARKE and his death certificate also but his B/C just says james clarke

Does that cert have anything entered for his father's name and occupation? I know his birth cert doesn't say his father's name but the name Martin may be a clue.

[silv cook]

dickiesam-- fathers name on JAMES MARTIN CLARKES W/C says george clarke (deceased)ocupation general" worker"i think thats what it says

[silv cook]

also 1871 census has george and mary on giving her birth as st helens lancashire and georges birth as cheshire if thats the case how did they be in galway for their wedding

[simone]

Is this the 1871 you mean
RG10; Piece: 3865; Folio: 152; Page: 8

George Clarke 35 b Norley Cheshire
Mary Clarke 28 b St Helens
Thomas Clarke 9
Nicholas Garland 13
Thomas Garland 9
Mary Garland 4
John Garland 7


not so sure this is your family, they have a s son born c 1862 which is before your 1866 marriage and also the Garland's are listed as sons and daughter think this may well be a different George and Mary to yours altogether

[silv cook]

lol i was just looking at the same census the liverpool office toldme a thomas clarke was also admitted into kirkdale the same time as john and james clarke so maybe that is the correct one and maybe the wedding is the wrong one although i then found the 1901 census with george mary and thomas on also alice clarke and florence whiles ,if this is the same family why did james martin put father as deceased on his W/C in 1898 very very

[simone]

I reckon this could be Thomas Clarke b c 1862 in 1881

RG11; Piece: 3726; Folio: 32; Page: 57
Railway Street, Widnes sub reg Farnworth
James Hume 40
Martha Hume 31
Jane Hume 10
Charles Hume 3
Catherine Hume 1
David Audley 21
Thomas Clark 20 servant b St Helens

and this could be his dad George

RG11; Piece: 3737; Folio: 115; Page: 10
George Clarke
Age:42
abt 1839
Relation:Boarder
Where born: Laudley, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Parr
99 Back Park Rd
Widow
Occupation: Carter
Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens

still not convinced your family

I think maybe your family have come here shortly after marriage, had a couple of children.. passed away maybe and the children find themselves orphaned

[Katie]

The records are very scant for Whiston Workhouse only a few admission registers survive and they are for after 1900. The minutes on Prescot Union Workhouse have survived and they are at Preston. It's always worthwhile consulting these as they sometimes tracked the absent parent down and made him pay for the child's keep. They sometimes used a name of a relative to put in the father space on a marriage certificate in order to hide illegitamacy.

What information did you get regarding their admission to Kirkdale Industrial School?

[silv cook]

@simone you may be right about them being orphans ,and @katie kirkdale said john and james clarke were put in kirkdale in 1880 by the governers of prescot, i asked about a joseph clarke who was in there also but they said he wasnt admitted at the same time ,but they did say a thomas clarke was admitted with james and john, i cant find thomas clarke in there though so im not sure where they got that info from , anything you can find would be great ,thanks silv.