Titanic William James Revell born 1880 in Liverpool

[68pages]

Hi

I am trying to find out who the parents were of William who died aboard the Titanic.

William James Revell born 1880 Liverpool - my mother's maiden name was Revell.

Thanks everyone

Victoria x

[68pages]

REVELL, William James Francis - Head - Married - 30 - 1881 - Ship's Steward - Liverpool.
REVELL, Blanche Louise - Wife - 27 - 1884 - Southampton.
CHAPMAN, Sylvia - Visitor - u/m - 37 - 1874 - London.
Address: 102 Malmesbury Road, Southampton, Hampshire.

William J F Revell married Blanche L Abbott
Registration district: Southampton, Hampshire
Year /qtr of registration: 1911 / Jan-Feb-Mar
Volume no: 2C; Page no: 57.

No births were registered to this marriage. Oddly I haven't found out what happened to Blanche after William died. She may have been, in company with many others, in a legal predicament. Unless she could get a Death Certificate she would still be legally married. If William's body was not recovered she would not be able to get a death certificate and would need a Court's declaration [known as a Benjamin Order], after 7 years, that he was dead. She didn't marry as Revel and I haven't found a death for her yet either.

and this from a BBC News report:

102 Malmesbury Road
William James Revell was born 1880 in Liverpool, Lancashire.

By the time he signed onto Titanic in 1912 as a watchman in the first class saloon he was living at 102 Malmesbury Road, Southampton, with his new wife, Blanche Louisa and their baby son.

Little Jack Louis Francis had been born in their house on 21 July 1911 and was nine months old when he lost his father.

Mr Revell's duties on board were to ensure that the saloon was secure when not in use, and to patrol the first class areas of the ship as a watchman. He was also paid £3.15s.0d per month.

Mr Revell had transferred to the Titanic from the Olympic where he had already survived a collision between the ship and naval cruiser, HMS Hawke, in the Solent in September 1911.

But he did not survive the sinking of Titanic and his body was never found.

His wife's brother Ernest Owen Abbott, also a steward, died in the disaster too.

So she lost her husband and her brother

Very Sad

Vx

[68pages]

The White Star Line, who paid the going rate for the job, mainly employed freelance workers who could be let go when the job finished.

Rather bureaucratically, the number crunchers at White Star calculated surviving staff's wages up until the exact point they entered the water and according to the records, “stopped performing their allocated job”. The company received some flak over this heartless calculation and there was a public outcry.

And the story is even more sad:

Jack Lewis Revell was taken prisoner in the Dutch East Indies and died in captivity 1 August 1942 aged 31.

Vx

[68pages]

Births Sep 1911: REVELL, Jack L F - Abbott - Southampton - 2c - 133.


Jack L F Revell married Kathleen S Trent
Registration district: Wareham, Dorset
Year/qtr of registration: 1935 / Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume no: 5A: Page no: 776

Death: REVELL, Jack L
Unit:153 Mu
Rank: Leading Aircraftman
Number:1180849
Year: 1942
Volume: 12; Page: 141
Record source: GRO War Death R.A.F. All Ranks (1939 to 1948)


Wonder what happen to Blanche Louisa(e) Revell?

Vx

[MaryA]

There is a possible death

Blanche Revell Q1 1961 Thanet Kent 5b 1133 age 83, I know it's a couple of years out but it's close.

[68pages]

Thanks Mary ! Such a sad story for poor Blanche! I hoped that she did remarry! Losing your husband, brother and your son is unthinkable

I would love to also know about their earlier life! Even if they have no connection to my Revells! My grandmother Eleanor Clara Halsall married a James Revell in Liverpool.

Best wishes

Victoria

[dickiesam]

Blanche L Revell married Albert B Piper
Registration district: Southampton, Hampshire
Year/qtr of registration: 1913 / Apr-May-Jun
Volume no: 2C; Page no: 90.

I haven't found a Blanche L Revell birth so it is probably her.

Also found this and the age is spot on...
Death: PIPER, Blanche L
Registration district: Southampton.
Year/qtr of registration: 1969 / Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 85
Volume no: 6B; Page no: 827.

[dickiesam]

Re: from Vx -

I am trying to find out who the parents were of William who died aboard the Titanic.
William James Revell born 1880 Liverpool - my mother's maiden name was Revell.

Births Dec 1880: REVELL, William James - Liverpool - 8b - 113

1881:
REVELS, Alice - Boarder - Head - Married - 19 - 1862 - Sailors Wife - Ireland.
REVELS, William James - Son - 0 - 1881 - Liverpool.
CONWAY, Mary - Boarder - Widow - 50 - 1831 - Hawker - Ireland
Address: 6 Beckwith St, Liverpool.
RG11 - Piece: 3615 - Folio: 71 - Page: 45

1891:
REVELL, John - Head - Married - 34 - 1857 - Mariner - Portugal.
REVELL, Alice - Wife - 27 - 1864 - Holyhead.
REVELL, William J - Son - 10 - 1881 - Liverpool.
REVELL, A - Dtr - 8 - 1883 - Liverpool. [Note: A = Alexandrina. See 1901]
REVELL, Bessy F - Dtr - 5 - 1886
REVELL, John - Son - 1 - 1890
Address: 19 Kent Street, Liverpool
RG12 - Piece: 2910 - Folio: 44 - Page: 5

EDITED TO ADD NOTE: The ages for the daughters A and Bessy were incorrectly transcribed as 18 and 15. The '1' was actually part of a down-stroke of the census checker's mark on the summary page. A correction has been submitted to Findmypast and their YoB adjusted.

Alice repeats Holyhead as her origin in 1901:
REVELL, John - Head - Married - 44 - 1857 - Seaman (Boatswain) - Portugal.
REVELL, Alice - Wife - 36 - 1865 - Holyhead, Anglesey, Wales
REVELL, William - Son - u/m - 20 - 1881 - Seaman, steward - Liverpool.
REVELL, Alexanderina - Dtr - u/m - 18 - 1883 - Liverpool.
REVELL, John L - Son - 11 - 1890 - Liverpool.
RAYMOND, Devarte - Boarder - Married - 42 - 1859 - Fireman (steam boats) - Oporto, Portugal.
GEORGE, Lionel H - Boarder - u/m - 23 - 1878 - Sailor (AB) - Calcutta, India.
Address: 19 Kent Street, Liverpool.
RG13 - Piece: 3414 - Folio: 36 - Page: 14

[MaryA]

St Peter's Priory Born 27th August, 1882 Baptised 17th September, 1882
Alexandrina Revell child of Joannie and Alicae Revell (nee Gray)
Godparents Joachim Pera? and Sara Anna de Silva

To the same parents in the same church
1 December 1889 - 15 December 1889
Joannes Ludovicus Revell
Godparents Eduardus Hillen and Maria Louis

6 November, 1880 - 21 November 1880
Gulielmos Jacobus Revell
Godparents Ernestus Coates and Margarita Gray

So his godmother might be a help in finding his mother's family.

[MaryA]

1891:
REVELL, John - Head - Married - 34 - 1857 - Mariner - Portugal.
REVELL, Alice - Wife - 27 - 1864 - Holyhead.
REVELL, William J - Son - 10 - 1881 - Liverpool.
REVELL, A - Dtr - 8 - 1873 - Liverpool.
REVELL, Bessy F - Dtr - 5 - 1876
REVELL, John - Son - 1 - 1890
Address: 19 Kent Street, Liverpool
RG12 - Piece: 2910 - Folio: 44 - Page: 5

Although Dickiesam has quoted correctly from the census entry the years of birth for A Revell and Bessy F don't match their ages, this is because the enumerator's marks which are often / appear to have been counted twice in their case making the mark an X and making the ages look as though they were 18 and 15 with the one crossed through. They are actually as DS gives, 8 and 5 in 1891.

Although I can't find a baptism entry for her, I wonder if this is the birth, maybe the census was written with the incorrect middle initial
Elizabeth Constance Revell Apr-May-Jun 1885 West Derby 8b 296

[dickiesam]

1891:
REVELL, John - Head - Married - 34 - 1857 - Mariner - Portugal.
REVELL, Alice - Wife - 27 - 1864 - Holyhead.
REVELL, William J - Son - 10 - 1881 - Liverpool.
REVELL, A - Dtr - 8 - 1873 - Liverpool.
REVELL, Bessy F - Dtr - 5 - 1876
REVELL, John - Son - 1 - 1890
Address: 19 Kent Street, Liverpool
RG12 - Piece: 2910 - Folio: 44 - Page: 5

Although Dickiesam has quoted correctly from the census entry the years of birth for A Revell and Bessy F don't match their ages, this is because the enumerator's marks which are often / appear to have been counted twice in their case making the mark an X and making the ages look as though they were 18 and 15 with the one crossed through. They are actually as DS gives, 8 and 5 in 1891.

Although I can't find a baptism entry for her, I wonder if this is the birth, maybe the census was written with the incorrect middle initial
Elizabeth Constance Revell Apr-May-Jun 1885 West Derby 8b 296

My apologies re the ages of those two children! I originally thought Alice was a second wife then looked more closely at the census summary page. I then dawned on me it was a transcription error. Correction has been submitted. It was quite late and I forgot to adjust their year of birth and include a note to that effect in my post. and

[dickiesam]

Curious as to what happened to Blanche after she remarried I found this for her second husband:

Death: PIPER, Albert B
Registration district: Southampton, Hampshire
Year/qtr of registration: 1934 / Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 54
Volume no: 2C; Page no: 77.

Blanche survived Albert by 35 years during which time she lost her only child, son Jack by her first marriage, when he died in a Japanese POW camp in Indonesia in 1942. I hope she had some happiness in her life.

[68pages]

Thank You!

could she have had children and used her maiden name:

Births Dec 1913
Piper Eileen M A Abbott Southampton 2c 29

Births Dec 1915
Piper Albert S A Abbott Southampton 2c 22

Births Jun 1918
Piper Ernest O Abbott Southampton 2c 73

I am not sure of the protocol after she "lost" William??

V x

[MaryA]

Not your fault DS, I hope I replied clearly stating that you did transcribe what was there, even on the image.

V, yes that could certainly be correct, it is the "maiden name" that is given or rather asked for on the certificate, however, many often additionally give a "formerly" and include a previous married name.

[JohnRevell]

Found this site quite by accident!
My name is John Revell; I am the grandson of William James Revell who perished, with my great-uncle, Ernest Abbott, on the Titanic.
For a long time I have been trying to trace descendants of Williams' sister,Alexandrina and his brother,John Louis Revell.
Alexandrina died as a result of her clothes catching fire in Mar. 1919-accelerated by pregnancy! She left several children.
John Louis died 4.5.1918 whilst serving as a stoker on the S.S.Transylvania when it was sunk by a German U.boat in the Gulf of Genoa Italy,carrying troops to Egypt. John,aged 26, was married and had 3 children-a daughter and 2 sons.
I have, so far, been unable to trace any descendants of these relatives.
I will revisit the site to clarify other questions that I see as soon as possible.

[dickiesam]

Hello John and welcome,
Why don't you start a new topic and kick off the search you are interested in. Include any information you already have on Alexandrina and her brother John Louis, such as DoBs, marriages, children, etc. Any eventual search for living relatives would have to be done off-forum of course, perhaps via PM [Private Message].

Would this be Alexandrina's birth?
REVELL, Alexandrina
Registration district: Liverpool
Year/qtr of registration: 1882 / Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 98.

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum. 68pages is a regular poster on here so I'm sure she will pop in soon to greet you herself.

[68pages]

Hi John

My mother's maiden name was Revell and although I don't think we are related, this story really captured my heart! To lose a husband and a brother on a ship that was meant to be unsinkable was so sad! I will be so glad to give you any help
in finding Alexandrina and John Louis - perhaps as DS said to start a new thread with the information that you have.

Kind Regards

Victoria