Help to find marriage please

Post by **slewis** » 30 Oct 2011 16:31

Hi
I have not been able to find a marriage for a James Cheetham a boatman born abt 1838 father James, and Hannah Stainer born about 1839 Yorkshire, daughter of John .
I have found Hannah with her parents in 1851 in Liverpool and with James and baby daughter Mary in 1861 on the vessel Princess Royal Howard Street Liverpool. I know Hannah died in 1872
If any one can find a marriage for them I would really appreciate it
kind regards Sue

Post by **MaryA** » 30 Oct 2011 17:02

For those trying to assist

1851 3 Court 2 Crosshall Street, St George Liverpool
John Stainer Visitor M 42 Coachman Yorkshire, New Ma??
Mary Wife M 36 Yorkshire Tollerton
Hannah daur 12 Scholar " Sheffield
Thomas Connor Visitor M 44 Corn Lab Ireland
Ann Connor Visitor M 36 Wife "
Thomas Connor 7 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire
HO107; Piece: 2180; Folio: 131; Page: 54

Birth 5th February, baptism 28th February, 1861 St Peters, Liverpool
Mary child of James & Hannah Cheetham Crosshall Street, Occupation Labourer

I believe this might be the 1861 entry referred to
District Princess Royal, Vessels, Lancashire
James Chetham M 22 Boatman born Haskayne
Annie " M 20 Boat woman born Liverpool
Daughter Mary Chetham 9 weeks Haskayne
Henry Bridge Mate Unmarried 18 Boatman Hasall
RG9; Piece: 2664; Folio: 59; Page:

Post by **simone** » 30 Oct 2011 17:02

for the crew

1861
RG9; Piece: 2664; Folio: 59; Page: ;
James Chetham 22 boatman
Annie Chetam 20 boatwoman
Mary Chetam 9weeks

1851

Crosshall St?
HO107; Piece: 2180; Folio: 131; Page: 54
John Stainer 42 coachman b Yorkshire,, ??
Mary Stainer 36 b Tollerton Yorkshire
Hannah Stainer 12b Sheffield
Thomas Connor 44 visitor
Ann Connor 36 visitor
Thomas Connor 7 visitor

Post by **simone** » 30 Oct 2011 17:03

hahaha you beat me Mary

Post by **simone** » 30 Oct 2011 17:14

Hi Sue

Is it your tree on Ancestry, has Hannah dying 1872 and James remarrying Elizabeth Eaves in 1878?

Simone x

Post by **slewis** » 30 Oct 2011 17:31

Hi Simone
Well it is not my tree but it is the same family I think
Thanks for your help
Kind regards Sue

Post by **simone** » 30 Oct 2011 17:34

looks like they haven't found a marriage either

Post by **moya** » 31 Oct 2011 08:22

1871 RG10/3763 Folio 128 page 58

James & Hannah with 2 sons James age 5 and Henry age 2. No sign of Mary. Canal Locks Liverpool. "Princess Royal" Flat boat. Can't find marriage. Regards Moya

Post by **Tina** » 31 Oct 2011 08:29

Quick hello to Moya...from Tina

Post by **slewis** » 31 Oct 2011 14:26

Hi all
Thank you for your help I really appreciate it, all I can say is, if no one on this forum can find this marriage then no one can, James did marry a Hannah but now I am sure it was not Hannah Stainer.

Thank you so much again for your help
Kind regards Sue

Post by **MaryA** » 31 Oct 2011 14:38

You can only know for sure from the birth certificate of one of the children - what does this give?

Post by **slewis** » 31 Oct 2011 15:13

Hi MaryA
Great minds I am just about to send off for one
Kind regards Sue

Post by **Hilary** » 31 Oct 2011 17:48

On the Ormskirk Family History website they have a link to Boat families

On that link you'll find you James Cheetham listed as born 1838 Halsall with his baptism, parents, and children. They site Hannah Stainer as his wife but no marriage. Also give her death date and his new wife Elizabeth Eaves and the date of that marriage.

There's loads of information on the site about the Cheetham family on the site.

Post by **simone** » 31 Oct 2011 20:09

That's a good find Hilary

I've been looking at son Henry... the Ormskirk site states that his birth cert confirms mother'a maiden name Stainer. It also says he married Rose Harris at West Derby Reg office in 1904, source being Lancs BMD's but no confirmation of sight of marriage entry

There is a marriage in Liverpool records I thought was young Henry b c 1869

so could get very confusing

got your work cut out with the Cheethams Sue

btw John Milroy and Ellen Milroy witnesses...they married in 1874, John Milroy / Ellen Cheetham

yikes

maybe Rose is a 2nd marriage

do you know any more about Henry, Sue

and now I can't get on Ancestry at all to check it all out further

Simone x

Post by **Hilary** » 31 Oct 2011 21:06

The Henry Cheetham who married Mary Cheetham is the son of James Cheetham and Cicely Johnson. He was born 1863 in Halsall.

Mary Cheetham daughter of Robert Cheetham and Ann Shaw was born in Liverpool in 1866. Her father was brother to your James Cheetham as they were both sons of James Cheetham and Elizabeth Alty.

Have fun on the Ormskirk site!

Post by **simone** » 31 Oct 2011 22:26

Thanks Hilary

sorted then

Post by **MaryA** » 01 Nov 2011 10:48

Yeah right, my head is spinning just reading that, good luck Sue!

Post by **Hilary** » 01 Nov 2011 10:51

It's all on the Boat Families website I just copied it!

Post by **simone** » 01 Nov 2011 12:31

mine too Mary, but then I was very frustrated with Ancestry and my laptop at the time

Post by **slewis** » 01 Nov 2011 15:21

Hi all
Thank you all so much, for all this information, I new you would be able to help me, the Ormskirk site is great its going to be a great help and keep me busy.
Thank you again I really do appreciate all your help
Kind regards Sue