James Brownbill b. circa 1843

Post by **northmeols** » 21 Aug 2011 01:24

I have found James with wife Elizabeth (nee Lee) on the 1881 census living in Everton, they had 3 children at the time, emma, james and thomas. living with them was elizabeths brother michael. their last name is misspelled as Brownbile. could skp take a look at the 1871 census and see if they can find him with his parents, he was born in liverpool 1843-47 he married lizzy 1875 in liverpool. thanks in advance

Post by **Tina** » 21 Aug 2011 04:17

Hi Susan

His birthplace as Melling in 1881
Baptisim 15.8.1847 Melling s/o Jas & Margaret

1871 Looks like a 2nd wife for his father
James 51 bn Melling porter
Mary 40, James 24 porter, Hy 6, Mary 3 all bn Lpool
stepson William Boyd 18 biscuit maker Lpl
number 4, 9 court Rose Place, St Martin Dist
Transcribed as Brambill
RG10/3755/24/41
If you don't have 1851, he's 3 yrs old with Jas, Margt & siblings in Lpool.
Let me know.

Tina

Post by **Hilary** » 21 Aug 2011 09:27

1861 census Marsh grove 10 court house 5 Liverpool (St Martin's District)
James Brownbill H widr 48 lab bn Mella
Sarah 18 daur
James son 13
Alice 11
Richard 9
George 7
children bn Liverpool

Possible marriage

James married Mary Boyd prveiously Burgess St Peter 1864

Baptism for James the widower above
23 May 1830 st Thomas Melling
James son of Richard and Elizabeth of Melling labourer

Lots of baptisms etc on www.lan-opc.org.uk

Post by **northmeols** » 21 Aug 2011 12:11

thanks a bunch. no wonder I had trouble finding him in 71 Brambil!!! and I thought this line would be easier with a some what unusual surname. Melling is looking good for that side if the clan, they were scattered from Everton to Southport centrally located around Melling and Maghull.

Post by **northmeols** » 21 Aug 2011 18:23

if his father was 51 in 1871C and 48 in 1861C then I have 2 baptisms in Melling that fit 1812 and 1818 both with father James (again) one with mother listed as Elizabeth. Tina can you find the 1851 info so I can compare ages for the father.

Post by **MaryA** » 21 Aug 2011 18:47

1851 37 Court Ford Street, Howard Street, Liverpool
HO107; Piece: 2178; Folio: 120; Page: 73
James Brownbill Head M 32 Labourer Melling
Margaret Wife 33? possibly 32 Lydiate
John son 10 Maghull
Sarah daur 8 "
James son 3 "
Alice daur 2 "
Richard son 1 "
James Ball Visitor Unm 24 Labourer Halsall
Ralph Travis " " 24 " Burscough

Post by **MaryA** » 21 Aug 2011 18:52

Lancs OPC has the baptisms
Baptisms: 18 Oct 1840 St Andrew, Maghull, Lancashire, England
John Brownbill - Son of James Brownbill & Margaret
Abode: Maghull
Occupation: Labourer

Baptisms: 7 Aug 1842 St Andrew, Maghull, Lancashire, England
Sarah Brownbill - Daughter of James Brownbill & Margaret
Abode: Maghull
Occupation: Labourer

Baptisms: 16 Mar 1845 St Andrew, Maghull, Lancashire, England
James Brownbill - Son of James Brownbill & Margaret
Abode: Maghull
Occupation: Labourer

Baptisms: 15 Aug 1847 St Thomas, Melling, Lancashire, England
James Brownbill - Child of James Brownbill & Margaret
Abode: Maghull
Occupation: Labourer

Checking for 1841

Post by **MaryA** » 21 Aug 2011 18:55

Poverty Lane, Aughton, Halsall
Sarah Mason 65 Pauper No
Mary Halsall 40 Y
Ann Halsall 10 Y
William Halsall 7 Y
/
James Brownbill 20 Ag Lab Y
Margaret 20 Y
John 8 months Y
HO107; Piece 512; Book: 5; Civil Parish: Halsall; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 8; Folio: 29; Page: 20

The Masons and Halsalls may have no connection, merely be living in the same dwelling as a separate family, but you never know.

Post by **MaryA** » 21 Aug 2011 18:58

Baptisms: 5 Nov 1848 St Thomas, Melling, Lancashire, England
Alice Brownbill - Child of James Brownbill & Margaret
Abode: Maghull
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: M. Formby

Baptisms: 4 Aug 1850 St Thomas, Melling, Lancashire, England
Richard Mason Brownbill - Child of James Brownbill & Margaret
Abode: Maghull
Occupation: Labourer

There! the link to "Mason"
Marriage: 24 Apr 1838 St Martin in the Fields, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
James Brownbill - Minor Labourer Bachelor of Greenland St
Margaret Mason - (X), Full Spinster of Dale St
Groom's Father: James Brownbill, Labourer
Bride's Father: James Mason, Labourer
Witness: John Brownbill; Caroline Mason, (X)
Married by Banns by: Cecil Wray Asst Minister
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1842, Page 49, Entry 98
Source: LDS Film 1656206

Post by **MaryA** » 21 Aug 2011 19:03

Baptisms: 30 May 1818 St Andrew, Maghull, Lancashire, England
Margaret Mason - Daughter of James Mason & Sarah
Abode: Lydiate
Occupation: Stonemason
Baptised by: Geo. Holden Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1844, Page 13, Entry 99
Source: LDS Film 1849659

Post by **northmeols** » 21 Aug 2011 20:03

thanks every one for the help... James Mason and Sarah Wyatt married 1808 Manchester first child I can find in Lydiate is Sarah 1811 going to check for earlier children in manchester.. he was a stone mason so could have been born manchester.. as for James Brownbill I'm leaning toward the 1818 baptism as we found Margaret's birth in 1818 and they are listed as the same age (32) in 51 then in 71 he's 51 only in 61 is the age different 48 they could have transcribed it wrong will have to go to the library to view original for 61 to see but I'm pretty confident on the rest

Post by **MaryA** » 21 Aug 2011 20:14

northmeols wrote: will have to go to the library to view original for 61 to see

Sorted

Post by **Tina** » 22 Aug 2011 09:31

Thanks Mary, great info while I was in the Land of Nod!!

Tina

Post by **MaryA** » 22 Aug 2011 09:40

Shift workers! that's what we are

Post by **northmeols** » 22 Aug 2011 12:23

day, swing and grave... but whos what all I know is i'm on swing, you 2 decide who's day shift.

Post by **MaryA** » 22 Aug 2011 12:59

Both of us of course - me in my day, Tina in hers

Did my email resolve your problem Susan?

Post by **northmeols** » 22 Aug 2011 17:03

your help was greatly appreciated.. I was able to add 4 generations to that one family and 2 to the wifes plus the second wife all in all it was a fruitful day I would say.

Post by **Tina** » 23 Aug 2011 08:31

Mary

Great result Susan, very pleased for you!!

Tina