RATHBONE ST 1816

[Marie]

Is there anywhere I can look at a map for the above? Also, is there any other Church which might be used for Baptisms after 1816 I have found a Marriage in St Nicholas, then a Baptism at St. Peters in 1817. Then nothing else?

[Blue70]

Here is a map of the Rathbone Street area with the local churches highlighted in red. Place your cursor over the church to reveal it's name:-

http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co. ... rt1013.htm


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[Hilary]

Who are you looking for?

[Marie]

I am looking for baptisms of children of Thomas France and Elizabeth France nee Jones who were married in St. Nicholas on 3rd Jan 1816 he was a servant. They were both literate.

I have found a baptism in St. Peter's on 2.4.1817 of a son Richard they are living in Rathbone Street he is still a servant. I am trying to find any other baptisms. I cannot find any other baptisms in St. Peters. I was also trying to find out what kind of residences there were in Rathbone street at that time.

[Blue70]

Family Search:-

https://www.familysearch.org/search/rec ... e%3Afrance~


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[Hilary]

These from www.lan-opc.org.uk may give more details

Baptisms: 2 Apr 1817 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Richard France - S of Thomas France & Elizabeth
Abode: Rathbone St
Occupation: Servant

Baptisms: 25 Aug 1820 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth France - Child of Thomas France & Elizabeth
Abode: Rathbone St.
Occupation: Servant

Baptisms: 18 Dec 1822 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
George France - Child of Thomas France & Elizabeth
Abode: Rathbone St
Occupation: Servant

Baptisms: 24 Jun 1825 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Emma France - Child of Thomas France & Elizabeth
Abode: Gil Street
Occupation: Labourer

If the last one is the same couple it looks as if Thomas is no longer employed as a servant. He may have been employed at Rathbone Street.

[Blue70]

I presumed Marie had already checked St Peter's on Lancs OPC nevermind at least we got there in the end.

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[Marie]

Thank you for your response. I did find the one in 1825 but nothing in between. I thought that as the address and occupation was different and there was such a gap it wasn't the correct one.

[erika]

1821 Gore's has

Thomas France , billiard room, 6 Rathbone Street

Cheers
Erika

[Marie]

Thank you for your help.

I am sorry but I am getting my William's and Thomas confused. I am looking for Thomas France born to William and Elizabeth France nee Jones who were married at St. Nicholas 3.1.1816. I believe Thomas was born 1826. The last child given to me is Emma born 1825. I have tried Parish records and cannot find Thomas. They alternated from William to Thomas hence the confustion.

I need his siblings also as I am working with a distant relation whose gggrandfather was one of his brothers.

[Hilary]

Not sure I understand you! There are these

Baptisms: 21 Jun 1818 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William France - Son of William France & Elizabeth
Abode: Cunliffe St
Occupation: Labourer

Baptisms: 22 Jul 1827 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth France - Child of William France & Elizabeth
Abode: Cunliffe Street
Occupation: Waiter

There are also these marriages

Marriage: 4 Jun 1811 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Thomas France - Servant of Parish of Liverpool
Elizth. Gratton - Spinster of Parish of Liverpool
Married by Banns

Marriage: 3 Jan 1816 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William France - Servant of Parish of Liverpool
Elizabeth Jones - Spinster of Parish of Liverpool

and these baptisms

Baptisms: 16 Aug 1812 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Ann France - Daughter of Thomas France & Elizabeth (formerly Gratton)
Born: 31 Mar
Abode: Primrose Hill
Occupation: Servant

Baptisms: 21 Aug 1814 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Thomas France - Son of Thomas France & Elisabeth
Abode: Primrose Hill
Occupation: Baker


I get the impression Thomas and William are 2 separate people both married Elizabeths and both at some point servants. They are possibly brothers

[Hilary]

The 1841 census has at HO 107 folio 563 book 4

They are listed as Francis
William 45 labourer not born in county
Elizabeth 40
Thomas 17 butcher
George 15Elizabeth 13 (her batism 1827)
Frederick 10
John 10
Emma 7
Mary 4
Sarah 1
Jane 1

These are the baptisms of the last 2 children
Baptisms: 25 May 1840 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Jane France - Child of William France & Elizabeth
Abode: Scallion's Buildings Collingwood Street
Occupation: Labourer

Baptisms: 25 May 1840 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Sarah Ellen France - Child of William France & Elizabeth
Abode: Scallion's Buildings Collingwood Street
Occupation: Labourer

[erika]

1821 Gore's Directory for William France

28 Rodney Street, merchant ( don't think that could be him!)

16 Back Blake Street waiter ( possibility)

Cheers
Erika