death between 1897 and 1911 COOMBE

[dickiesam]

Hi Doedoe'
RE:

I know they were both alive in 1897 when their son Tom died

I am puzzled, but then that isn't unusual these days.....
We know Rosa was alive in 1901 because she is in the 1901 with her now-married daughter Rosa Shufflebottom.

Thomas and Rosa had a son Tom born in Torquay in 1872. The Tom Combe that died in 1897 was an infant. Did they name another son Tom?
Deaths Mar 1897: Combe, Thomas - 0 - W. Derby - 8b - 261.
Births Mar 1897: Combe, Thomas - W. Derby - 8b - 352.

Dickiesam

[Tina]

Hi Doe
I looked in Anc## records, couldn't find Tom Coombe in their enumerators books for 19@@.
Perhaps Tom wasn't well and someone assumed he was widowed?
Richard is in 19## census W Dby with wife and family also sister Clara aged 27 (see 1891).
Perhaps Rosa was still living her Shufflebottom daughter?
Sorry not to be of much help.

Tina

Added later 1911 Gores/Kellys has a
Richard Coombe, carpenter, 29 Adelaide St N

[dickiesam]

RE:

Richard is in 19## census W Dby with wife and family also sister Clara aged 27 (see 1891).

Richard went to South Wales for a wife and brought her back to Liverpool? It's the only match.
Marriages Dec 1901 - Abergavenny - 11a - 73: COOMBE, Richard & MORGAN, Clara.

Can't see his sister Clara with him in the Schweppes though! I think that is because she had married the year before...
Marriages Sep 1910 - W Derby - 8b - 527: Clayton, Rowland & Coombe, Clara.

In 1901 she is boarding with the Matterson family: RG13 / 3438 / 73 / 4.

But no sign of a Shuffle[bottom or botham] either yet 10 years later. Come out Rosa, both of you, wherever you are!

DS

[MaryA]

OK I'm only looking at the free index on the 1911 census but would you try

Rosa HESS SHUFFLEBOTHAM the last two words going in the surname box and if you use the reference RD455 (West Derby) and then put the name in the "Other Members of Household" you get a list of
Thomas 35
Rosa 29
Thomas Charles 8
Mildred 7
Harold 6
David 3
Robert 2
and William Speakman 33

Could this be the family?

[Tina]

Hi D.S
In Lancs BMD Rowland Clayton married Ada Gunn 1910.

Clara M Coombe married Robert J McCarthy
Everton, St Augustines 1910, sept qtr

Birth Eva M 1912 maiden Coombe
Robert L 1913 both W Dby

Tina

[Tina]

In Schw....census 19##
I've found Robert Joseph McCarthy 32
Clara Mildred bn 1877 34yrs W Dby
possibly Francis 7 mnths old.
In 1911 Gores/Kellys there is a Robt Jos.
compositor 14 Apollo St Everton

Tina

[Tina]

Hi Mary
There is a Thomas Shufflebottam in 1911 Directory
47 Balmoral Rd Fairfield

btw
Ian Botham family were originally Shufflebotham

Tina

[Doedoe]

Rosa Hess Shufflebotham is the sister of my g/father Richard Coombe and the daughter of Rosa and Tom ,
Clara Mildred is also the sister of Richard and the daughter of Rosa and Tom who married Robert Joseph McCarthy
.Tom Coombe who died in 1897 aged 25 was the son of Rosa and Tom living in Candia Street he was a merchant seaman.
Clara Mildred married in 1910 both gave Rupert Hill as their address it gets more complicated by the day again thanks or all your help

[dickiesam]

OK I'm only looking at the free index on the 1911 census but would you try

Rosa HESS SHUFFLEBOTHAM the last two words going in the surname box and if you use the reference RD455 (West Derby) and then put the name in the "Other Members of Household" you get a list of
Thomas 35
Rosa 29
Thomas Charles 8
Mildred 7
Harold 6
David 3
Robert 2
and William Speakman 33

Could this be the family?

Hi Mary,
That's the one. Thomas was actually Thomas Henry according to his marriage: Marriages Mar 1901 - W. Derby - 8b - 519> Coombe, Rosa and SHUFFLEBOTHAM, Thomas Henry.
The Henry looks like Hess and has been mistranscribed into the surname. The fix is in!

DS

[Tina]

Gores/Kellys 1911 Directory
has Mrs Hannah McCarthy
3 Rupert Hill
off Eastbourne St

Tina

[Doedoe]

can you tell me what it is ,havent heard of it before ,looks like the problem family are now getting sorted , just got to find a death for tom senior and Rosa his wife
thanks to you all for your help

[dickiesam]

can you tell me what it is ,havent heard of it before ,looks like the problem family are now getting sorted , just got to find a death for tom senior and Rosa his wife
thanks to you all for your help

Hello Doe,
Methinks you are asking about Schweppes....
It's a jokey reference to the census whose year we whisper and don't usually publish as third parties to it's content to avoid drawing unnecessary attention to ourselves. In other words it's the one after 1901. I think I once referred to it as the ssshhhhssshhh census and one of our G & T friends immediately thought of the great TV ad of bygone days for Schweppes Tonic! I wonder why?

DS

[Doedoe]

ahhhhhhhhh ! very good